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01-15-2006, 12:49 PM
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Re: Canzano Responds
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Originally Posted by RPCity
I still say its making a bit of an unreasonable leap. We've not heard from two sources that Sheed wasn't going to resign. One is Canzano and the other is Nash (who EdO has repeatedly discredited because "of course" that's what Nash would say).
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Canzano is not a source. Sheed didn't tell him that. Canzano is repeating what somebody else (Nash? A bus driver? Who knows?) said. Nash has every reason to claim that he 'had to' trade Sheed.
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At some point you have to believe somebody.
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I don't see why. Everyone involved has an ax (or three) to grind, and there's no way to ever determine the truth. Whether or not Sheed said to person X or Y that he wouldn't re-sign is not proof that he would not have re-signed. There are lots of reasons why Sheed might have said that - he might have been angry (imagine that!), he might have been negotiating, he might have been jerking people around for the fun of it. He might have meant it, he might not have. If he did mean it, he might have changed his mind prior to the signing date, he might not have.
Asserting that we had to trade Sheed for crap because of something he may have said is silly. Sheed says lots of stuff.
I notice that people are still worried about whether Joel will re-sign, despite the fact that he said he wants to stay.
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01-15-2006, 12:55 PM
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Damn, some of you are flat out relentless. Ease up. Quit busting Canzano's balls. He took the time to answer the questions. What more do you want?
I'm sure most of you believe you could do a better job? Then do it.
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I wouldn't want to take the pay cut.
I do appreciate him bothering to respond, though. I think the only chance for him and similar columnists to maintain relevancy (see this long tail summary for stats) is to become a lot more "interactive" in some fashion. I come here for my Blazer news and opinions first, never the Oregonian. That's partly because of more content linked to from here, but also because the commentary about any articles will go a long way toward filtering out the chaff. His articles fare poorly here, and he ought to be defending himself with a bit more than a "just read" or "just email me". Good of him to start (or at least do it once).
The more fans who talk to each other, like here in this forum, the better off folks like Nate Bishop or Henry Abbot look, despite the difference in direct access and full-time pay.
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01-16-2006, 11:11 AM
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Re: Canzano Responds
Incidentally, I copied and pasted my earlier post regarding his ineptitude and unethical behavior. His first reply was this:
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If you want to debate something, at least try to make it clear what you're debating.
I had 176 emails today.
Tell me again what you're contending...
I appreciate the note.
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I'm not sure how it's possible to be more explicit than below. [I re-pasted my first email.] It's plainly been proven that you were clueless about the CBA, were corrected by your readers, rewrote your story online, and never acknowledged you were mistaken.
It'd be a little less obnoxious if you didn't constantly harp on the integrity of the Blazers. For a guy who seems to think of himself as the moral arbiter of the Blazers, your own ethics don't live up to your initials.
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The team, as I reported two seasons ago, isn't able to re-sign Przybilla until the end of this season. In that sense, they're like everyone else.
I can understand why you'd be confused. But those are the rules.
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01-16-2006, 11:33 AM
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canzano should write for wrestling. Their motto is, ieven if it's on tape and infront of thousands of people, if we say it didn't happen/we didn't say it, it [b]didn't[/i] happen.
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01-16-2006, 02:17 PM
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Incidentally, I copied and pasted my earlier post regarding his ineptitude and unethical behavior. His first reply was this:
my reply:
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Thanks for posting that! 
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01-16-2006, 03:00 PM
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I just want to thank ABM and Canzano. This thread really separates this board with the ESPN board (and probably the O-live board?). You just don't get stuff like this. At least Canzano takes his job seriously enough to sit down and put some thought into answers to poster who clearly dislike him. I don't think all sports writeres would do that.
It's pretty funny that ABM forwarded my joke question about UoP soccer and that it was answered. John, if you are reading this, you pissed off a lot of UoP fans with that article. I told them that was Canzano doing what he does. : )
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01-16-2006, 03:06 PM
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Canzano is not a source. Sheed didn't tell him that. Canzano is repeating what somebody else (Nash? A bus driver? Who knows?) said. Nash has every reason to claim that he 'had to' trade Sheed.
I don't see why. Everyone involved has an ax (or three) to grind, and there's no way to ever determine the truth. Whether or not Sheed said to person X or Y that he wouldn't re-sign is not proof that he would not have re-signed. There are lots of reasons why Sheed might have said that - he might have been angry (imagine that!), he might have been negotiating, he might have been jerking people around for the fun of it. He might have meant it, he might not have. If he did mean it, he might have changed his mind prior to the signing date, he might not have.
Asserting that we had to trade Sheed for crap because of something he may have said is silly. Sheed says lots of stuff.
I notice that people are still worried about whether Joel will re-sign, despite the fact that he said he wants to stay.
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I suppose you can believe what you want about what happened. There is, however, more evidence (whether you want to consider it credible or not) that he would not resign than there was that he would resign. Of course, that doesn't take into consideration whether it would have been good for the team to resign him considering the image change they needed to go through so desperatly. Sheed needed a change of scenery...whether he got that by trade or by leaving as a free agent....I am relatively certain he would have gotten it one way or another.
And personally....I dont think we traded him for crap. Bonzi...him we kind of traded for crap. But not Rasheed.
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01-16-2006, 08:30 PM
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I suppose you can believe what you want about what happened. There is, however, more evidence (whether you want to consider it credible or not) that he would not resign than there was that he would resign.
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I'm not a believer. I'm a skeptic. I haven't been arguing that he would have re-signed. I've been arguing that the evidence isn't anywhere near strong enough to know either way.
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01-17-2006, 12:26 AM
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Incidentally, I copied and pasted my earlier post regarding his ineptitude and unethical behavior.
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This is just too funny/pathetic. Can this possibly be a coincidence? Nay, I think theWanker has been dubbed 'Confused reader' by the Hon. John Canzano:
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Tuesday, January 17, 2006
Confused reader wrote yesterday asking, in part, why the Blazers aren't moving now to re-sign Joel Przybilla. Long-time readers of the blog know that because of his contract status, and the CBA, the team isn't allowed to negotiate with Przybilla until after the season, like other NBA teams.
At the end of the season, the Blazers can offer Przybilla the mid level exception, and go up to six years. That likely equates to about $38 million over 6 years. Other teams over the cap can use their midlevel exception but can only offer 5 years and the increment is 8 percent vs. 10.5 percent from the Blazers, GM John Nash says. There are a handful of other teams under the cap that could bid more, but would they? That's the magic question when it comes to Przybilla and it's the real risk the team runs.
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01-17-2006, 08:05 AM
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hey, I'm just impressed that all the badgering we have done has forced him to actually sit down and have somebody explain the CBA a little to him.
now if only somebody could sit down with him and teach "Journalism Ethics 101" plus "How to Read an Email 99 (Remedial)," I could die a slightly less annoyed man.
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01-17-2006, 08:11 AM
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Re: Canzano Responds
regarding whether Sheed would have signed up with the Blazers again, I don't need Nash or Canzano to tell me; I believe that his body language and lack of hustle in his final year with the Blazers told the whole story.
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01-17-2006, 08:48 AM
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Re: Canzano Responds
1. Why did you leave Fresno? Seriously.
2. At what point in this season can we expect you to write your annual "Blazers fans should boycott games and root for The Lakers" thread?
3. Is your true goal to be an investigative reporter/columnist and the sports gig was your only "in"?
Like being a weatherman got Letterman his start in TV?
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01-17-2006, 09:16 AM
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Telfair was measured at 5-11 ½ by the Blazers.
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SCOREBOARD!
And since he was measured by the Blazers I would bet that in reality he is an inch or two shorter.
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01-17-2006, 10:17 AM
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