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Old 01-20-2006, 11:45 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

The comparisons 3-4 years from now should be

Telfair to Jefferson

and

Webster, Jack and DET #30 pick to Chris Paul

Chris Paul looks good, but as I said before so did Damon Stoudamire in his 1st year.

Damon as a rookie: 19ppg 9.3 apg 4.0 rpg 1.4 spg 2.4 to/g 42% FG% 39% 3pt FG%

Paul as a rookie: 16.1 ppg 7.2 apg 5.7rpg 2.2 spg 2.1 to/g 43% FG% 30% 3pt FG%

Good for NO\OKC that Paul is playing well, hopefully he CONTINUES to perform well for them. Time will tell if 3 is better than 1.
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Old 01-20-2006, 11:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

Thats pretty cool how you just happened to pick Al Jeffersons best game of the year. You didnt mention that he was in single digits the previous 5 games before that. I guess we can just pick telfairs game when he got 21 points and say that Telfair will without a doubt have a better career then Jefferson. Not trying to diss you too much, but both Telfair and AJ are both young players trying to learn how to play in the NBA.
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Old 01-20-2006, 12:03 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

tlong....

Your annual whining about Jefferson is about as pathetic as your attempt to prop up Jefferson as better than Telfair based on 1 decent game he had ...

Let's compare the two shall we?

Jefferson is averaging 8ppg and 4.8 rpg
Telfair is averaging 10ppg and 3.9 apg

Jefferson's top 5 games this year

21 (12/10)
18 (1/18)
17 (1/6)
16 (12/7)
13 (twice)

Telfair's top 5 games this year

27 (11/20)
21 (1/13)
20 (TWICE 11/25 & 11/18)
19 (12/4)
18 (11/5)
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

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He's proven that he's 6'10, 250.

Clearly that's all anybody should need to look at......


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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

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tlong....

Your annual whining about Jefferson is about as pathetic as your attempt to prop up Jefferson as better than Telfair based on 1 decent game he had ...

Let's compare the two shall we?

Jefferson is averaging 8ppg and 4.8 rpg
Telfair is averaging 10ppg and 3.9 apg

Jefferson's top 5 games this year

21 (12/10)
18 (1/18)
17 (1/6)
16 (12/7)
13 (twice)

Telfair's top 5 games this year

27 (11/20)
21 (1/13)
20 (TWICE 11/25 & 11/18)
19 (12/4)
18 (11/5)

Why stop there? Why not look at per 48 minutes stats for both players? (The following are rankings for sophomore players)

Big Al is 6th among sophomore players for points per 48 minutes. Telfair is 19th.
Big Al is 10th among sophomores for rebounds per 48 minutes. Telfair is 39th.
Big Al is 8th for FG percentage. Telfair is 44th.
Big Al is 6th in blocked shots. Telfair is 43rd.
Big Al is 15th in the efficiency rating. Telfair is 21st.
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

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The comparisons 3-4 years from now should be

Telfair to Jefferson

and

Webster, Jack and DET #30 pick to Chris Paul
Pull out the 2006 Det 1st rounder.

We lost the 2005 #35. They are roughly a wash.
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

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Why stop there? Why not look at per 48 minutes stats for both players? (The following are rankings for sophomore players)

Big Al is 6th among sophomore players for points per 48 minutes. Telfair is 19th.
Big Al is 10th among sophomores for rebounds per 48 minutes. Telfair is 39th.
Big Al is 8th for FG percentage. Telfair is 44th.
Big Al is 6th in blocked shots. Telfair is 43rd.
Big Al is 15th in the efficiency rating. Telfair is 21st.

Holy crap!!! You're telling me that the 6'10 power forward is a better shotblocker and rebounder then our 6'0 point guard???? And that he shoots a higher percentage!?!?

No way!!! What a horrible pick! How did we pass up this guy!
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Re: My contempt for Nash grows....

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Why stop there? Why not look at per 48 minutes stats for both players? (The following are rankings for sophomore players)

Big Al is 6th among sophomore players for points per 48 minutes. Telfair is 19th.
Big Al is 10th among sophomores for rebounds per 48 minutes. Telfair is 39th.
Big Al is 8th for FG percentage. Telfair is 44th.
Big Al is 6th in blocked shots. Telfair is 43rd.
Big Al is 15th in the efficiency rating. Telfair is 21st.
per 48 is a deceptive stat. I'm not sure why you're comparing rebounds per 48 with a Pg. I guess we could say that Assists cancel out rebounds in this arguement.

Telfair is at 7 assists per 48, and Jefferson is at 1.6

I'd also say that three point shooting cancels out blocks too. 40% to 0%.

And I don't know if I'd say that the difference between 15th and 21st is really that impressive, considering Jefferson is 9-10 inches taller and plays mostly in the paint. I'd hope someone who's that all is more efficient, they're closer to the hoop.
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Old 01-20-2006, 01:42 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Holy crap!!! You're telling me that the 6'10 power forward is a better shotblocker and rebounder then our 6'0 point guard???? And that he shoots a higher percentage!?!?

No way!!! What a horrible pick! How did we pass up this guy!

Actually what I'm telling you is that a 6-10, 265 lb power forward straight from high school is a much better pick than a 5-11, 165 lb point guard straight from high school.
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Go Blazers. Watch Bones.
Don't you have a blog for this crap?

Guys, Eric doesn't even read this board any more. He posts these rants, and expects this board to look forward to them- at 3 pages already, It might be working. This is a forum, not Eric's nba blog.

I see this as self-promotion, since I don't care what he thinks about the Blazers- I already know that he hates anyone who doesn't hate management, he told us that in his last press release.

ERIC- STAY AWAY. Keep this in your blog where it belongs. If people want to know what you think, they know where to go.
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Eric ! Bones is a good show hope it survives, Post when ever you can.
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From the Boston Globe yesterday:

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Most nights, Al Jefferson hasn't been on the floor for those crucial minutes. He was averaging just over 17 minutes a game because of his defensive struggles, even as chants of ''Play the kids" grow more insistent. Someday Jefferson might be a 20-and-10 guy, but at the moment he's a young player with enormous potential who isn't consistent enough to earn major minutes. Rivers remains steadfast in his resolve not to hand Big Al time without justification.

He's right.

''He's got to earn it," Rivers said. ''No. 1, it makes the player more accountable. No. 2, if you don't do it that way, then you get guys saying, 'Why should I work so hard? I'm going to play anyway.' And, No. 3, you'll lose every guy on your team that has been busting his butt but doesn't play.

''I understand how people feel about Al. I'm a fan. Young players in the NBA are like backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Everyone wants to see them play -- but they look a lot better when they're not playing."
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb..._taste/?page=2

Now, just find-and-replace Al Jefferson's name with Sebastian Telfair's and Doc Rivers' name with Nate McMillan's and we have some sports copy for the Portland papers.

Telfair hasn't been disappointing, he's showing the typical prep-to-pro struggles and growth curve. Tracy McGrady was in Darrell Walker's doghouse in Toronto and couldn't buy playing time.
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Broken record.

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Chris Paul looks good, but as I said before so did Damon Stoudamire in his 1st year.

Damon as a rookie: 19ppg 9.3 apg 4.0 rpg 1.4 spg 2.4 to/g 42% FG% 39% 3pt FG%

Paul as a rookie: 16.1 ppg 7.2 apg 5.7rpg 2.2 spg 2.1 to/g 43% FG% 30% 3pt FG%

Good for NO\OKC that Paul is playing well, hopefully he CONTINUES to perform well for them. Time will tell if 3 is better than 1.
It seems you're making this comparison to degrade CP. It's extremely rare that a player regresses statistically through his career like Damon did. Anyways, here's a couple other relevant things to throw in your comparison.

barefoot height
CP 5'11.75
Damon ??? well he's listed at 5'10 so 5'8.5 would be the standard markup. I'm 5'10, and I've stood next to him... 2.25" is a pretty significant size difference IMO

Hornets 2005-6 record 19-19
Raptors 1995-6 record 21-61

Basically its a big stretch of comparison and a poor one to be making over and over and over as if it proves anything. Though their career stats don't match up very well, the guy I might compare Paul to is another former Oregon PG, Terrell Brandon.

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