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Old 01-26-2006, 10:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

If so, then the past two games are prime examples of that. I sincerely believe that the team now "believes" they're good enough to compete with the big boy (playoff-bound) teams of the league.

I'm hoping these "coulda/shoulda" games inspire the players to look deep within themselves and determine what will be necessary to turn losses against the Mavs and Nuggs into wins against upcoming teams.

Despite the recent losses, this team has turned another corner. I truly believe that.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

To answer your question directly, yes. Any loss by the Lakers is inherently a good loss.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

No.

Win = Success

Loss = Failure

But you can definitely LEARN from your failures, so you don't repeat them.
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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......But you can definitely LEARN from your failures....
So, ultimately, that's good, correct?
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

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If so, then the past two games are prime examples of that. I sincerely believe that the team now "believes" they're good enough to compete with the big boy (playoff-bound) teams of the league.

I'm hoping these "coulda/shoulda" games inspire the players to look deep within themselves and determine what will be necessary to turn losses against the Mavs and Nuggs into wins against upcoming teams.

Despite the recent losses, this team has turned another corner. I truly believe that.
Agreed..IMO we can compete with every team but the Spurs..we just haven't seemed to play them well in recet years.

I was surprised with how we played the Pistons this year though so you never know.
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Re: Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

On a slightly different take, I went to Lakeridge High School and they always fielded really good football teams (Tom Smythe era). However, I'd always cringe some nearing the end of some of those seasons if they were undefeated at the time. I actually wanted them to experience the effects of a loss so that they would be better equipped to handle game-time adversities (i.e. playing from behind or facing a "potential" loss) in the playoffs.

This probably doesn't make much sense to some of you, but I always felt there were such a thing as good losses at the right times.
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Re: Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

I think there are such things as "good losses"....I think the Detroit game is much stronger of an example than the game yesterday though. We were up by double digits and lost the lead. I don't think that yesterday was a good loss.
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I think there are such things as "good losses"....I think the Detroit game is much stronger of an example than the game yesterday though. We were up by double digits and lost the lead. I don't think that yesterday was a good loss.
Totally agree with RPCity. If you hang with a good team and keep it within striking distance and then don't have the talent to get over the hump on the last few possessions, I can live with that. But we were totally outplaying the Nuggets last night to the tune of a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter. There's absolutely no excuse for what happened last night. And you can't count any moral victories when you lose a game like that.

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...we were totally outplaying the Nuggets last night to the tune of a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter. There's absolutely no excuse for what happened last night...

I think it proved just how good this Blazer team really is.

The evaluation period is fast fading. No more blaming losses on youth and/or inexperience.
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Is There Such A Thing As A "Good" Loss?

Yes, it is a good loss when the other team is the one losing!

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No.

Win = Success

Loss = Failure

But you can definitely LEARN from your failures, so you don't repeat them.
I tend to agree with this.

What you're talking about, ABM is more along the lines of 'can something good come out of a loss' or even 'can something bad come out of a win'. A lost game, IMO, (the game itself) is bad but good can come out of it if you learn something for the next time. A won game, in the same vein, is good but bad can come out of it for upcoming games (overconfidence or whatever).

I compare it to lessons in life. Burning your hand on a hot stove is bad. But if you learn something from the experience and don't do it again the next time that the stove is on, then you've made something good out of that bad experience. However, should you fail to learn your lesson.....

I would agree that the most important thing for the team is not "we lost", but rather "what did we learn in that game that can help us the next time we're out on the court".
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I tend to agree with this.

What you're talking about, ABM is more along the lines of 'can something good come out of a loss' or even 'can something bad come out of a win'. A lost game, IMO, (the game itself) is bad but good can come out of it if you learn something for the next time. A won game, in the same vein, is good but bad can come out of it for upcoming games (overconfidence or whatever).

I compare it to lessons in life. Burning your hand on a hot stove is bad. But if you learn something from the experience and don't do it again the next time that the stove is on, then you've made something good out of that bad experience. However, should you fail to learn your lesson.....

I would agree that the most important thing for the team is not "we lost", but rather "what did we learn in that game that can help us the next time we're out on the court".



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Old 01-26-2006, 01:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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last game was not a good loss at all! 15 points in the 3rd and they left the game plan in the second half and the defense stunk!
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