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02-04-2006, 03:15 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
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Originally Posted by SolidGuy3
With a #6 pick, you should be able to get a player that can atleast contribute somewhat. Where is his great shot I hear about from John Nash? If Webster can't make it down in the NBDL, what makes you think he can make it in the NBA?
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Okay SolidGuy, how about 2 years ago, do you think at the age of 19 you would be able to come out and perform on a nightly basis in the NBA???? **** no. Even if you were built and had the ability of Webster you wouldn't. There are very few players that come out of HS and contribute in the NBA in their first season.
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02-04-2006, 03:18 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
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I say again. please gain some perspective.
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You are the one who needs to gain perspective. I know you think Webster is too young to contribute but he has looked horrible this season and he has limited upside. Look at another fellow high schooler that was the first high schooler chosen, I am talking about James and he made a great impact his first year, now I'm not asking for Webster to be Lebron but he should atleast be in the NBA but the joke league that is the NBDL.
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02-04-2006, 03:22 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
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You are the one who needs to gain perspective. I know you think Webster is too young to contribute but he has looked horrible this season and he has limited upside. Look at another fellow high schooler that was the first high schooler chosen, I am talking about James and he made a great impact his first year, now I'm not asking for Webster to be Lebron but he should atleast be in the NBA but the joke league that is the NBDL.
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so, you're telling me to gain perspective, and you pull this gem out of your hat?
If nothing, it shows how unrealistic your expectations are. LeBron isn't Webster, and Webster isn't LeBron, and to compare their production, rate of improvement and rate of production to each other, is a slap in the face to common sense.
To actually, with a straight face, justify your argument by bringing up LeBron shows that you have no perspective on things, and again, that you aren't even bother trying to have a serious argument.
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02-04-2006, 03:23 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
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so, you're telling me to gain perspective, and you pull this gem out of your hat?
If nothing, it shows how unrealistic your expectations are. LeBron isn't Webster, and Webster isn't LeBron, and to compare their production, rate of improvement and rate of production to each other, is a slap in the face to comon sense.
To actually, with a straight face, justify your argument by bringing up LeBron shows that you have no perspective on things, and again, that you aren't even bother trying to have a serious argument.
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As I was making my post, I knew he was going to bring up LeBron, but like I said in my post, only a FEW HS players ever have come out and had a big impact. I'd say he's doing fine for a 19 y/o. When he started he wasn't horrible, and for a 19 year old I think thats all you can hope for.
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02-04-2006, 03:28 PM
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so, you're telling me to gain perspective, and you pull this gem out of your hat?
If nothing, it shows how unrealistic your expectations are. LeBron isn't Webster, and Webster isn't LeBron, and to compare their production, rate of improvement and rate of production to each other, is a slap in the face to common sense.
To actually, with a straight face, justify your argument by bringing up LeBron shows that you have no perspective on things, and again, that you aren't even bother trying to have a serious argument.
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I didn't say that Webster should be Lebron. I'm pointing out that some high schoolers can have impacts their first season out of the NBA. I said Webster should atleast conbribute somewhat to the team, hit a couple of shots a game but he isn't doing that. I wasn't comparing Webster to James, if I was, I would have expected Webster to put up the same stats as Lebron his rookie year, all I ask from Webster is to be good enough to play limited action in the NBA. He can't even do that now, he's in the NBDL.
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02-04-2006, 03:31 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
You know, in some ways I'm disappointed that Webster hasn't been able to contribute right away as I had hoped our #6 pick would before the draft, but at the same time I'm not going to give up on Webster after only half of a season.
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02-04-2006, 03:33 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
What happened to the people who were liking Webster in the beginning of the season after that ATL game where he kept us in it and had like 13 points?
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02-04-2006, 03:37 PM
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I didn't say that Webster should be Lebron. I'm pointing out that some high schoolers can have impacts their first season out of the NBA.
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and the other 90% of them don't have big impacts on their teams in their first years.
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I said Webster should atleast conbribute somewhat to the team, hit a couple of shots a game but he isn't doing that. I wasn't comparing Webster to James, if I was, I would have expected Webster to put up the same stats as Lebron his rookie year, all I ask from Webster is to be good enough to play limited action in the NBA. He can't even do that now, he's in the NBDL.
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big deal. gain perpsective, or at least, read up on history.
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02-04-2006, 03:39 PM
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What happened to the people who were liking Webster in the beginning of the season after that ATL game where he kept us in it and had like 13 points?
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we shouldn't let the ramblings of 1 or 2 fans speak for more than their share of fans.
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02-04-2006, 04:08 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
in 5 less minutes per game webster is averaging 3 less points than TMac his rookie season. add to that the fact that tmac had vince to take pressure away on defence.
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02-04-2006, 05:31 PM
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Re: Martell's Final NBDL Stats?
10.9 PPG in the NBDL converts to 24 PPG in college as a freshman.
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02-04-2006, 06:00 PM
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10.9 PPG in the NBDL converts to 24 PPG in college as a freshman.
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so does that mean that Ime Udoke is like averaging 100 ppg in college? 
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02-04-2006, 06:02 PM
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With a #6 pick, you should be able to get a player that can atleast contribute somewhat. Where is his great shot I hear about from John Nash? If Webster can't make it down in the NBDL, what makes you think he can make it in the NBA?
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I tend to agree that the #6 pick should at least contribute somewhat.
As far as high-schoolers go, Rashard Lewis average 2.4 ppg his rookie year, Kobe 7.6, Tmac 7.1, Al Harrington was still around 7 ppg in his third year. But all these players were drafted after #6. High schoolers drafted before #6 like Lebron, Garnett, Dwight Howard, etc. were all able to contribute almost immediately (although Marvin Williams isn't helping that argument). Even guys like Amare (#13) had good rookie years.
So I actually believe it is somewhat fair to expect more than what Webster has done. But unlike some of those other high-schoolers that have succeeded right away, the Blazers seem intent on bringing him along slowly. He hasn't gotten a whole lot of good opportunities to play. Nate doesn't feel like he HAS TO play him (and management isn't making him), choosing instead to play whoever earns it. That's a tough situation for a kid coming out of high-school who lacks the size of a Garnett/Howard. Added to that, Jack and Dixon seem to be exceeding expectations and taking the majority of time at the 2-gaurd. Everytime Webster is out there he's walking on eggshells because he knows that Nate will pull him the first time he screws up. I think this has also been Outlaws problem.
The guy is still a teenager. His rookie season isn't to the allstar break yet. It's fine to expect more out of him due to the fact he was drafted #6, but to classify him as a bust isn't fair. We obviously haven't seen it in games a whole lot but he does have a very good outside shot and he's pretty athletic. And thanks to Nate, he'll be working a lot on defense. Wait till he's 21, then judge his progress.
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