Peaceman

Anyone notice the trade rumors with Isiah Thomas? Now he is after Steve Frances. Let me see, he already has the most overrated player in basketball Stephen(everyone hates to play with me ) Marbury and now Isiah wants to add the second most overated player in the league Steve Frances. He should try and make a three way deal with Miami and get Walker and he could have the top three. This guy has mob connections, or pictures of the owner. NASH, get on the phone and take advantage of this moron. Portland needs stay on this guy and see what we can steal.

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Isiah Thomas should have left the NBA after he won his two rings with Detroit. His career as a GM, both in Toronto and New York, has been abysmal.

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Problem with your suggestion, Peaceman, is that Thomas has loaded the Knicks roster with so many overpaid underachieving injury prone players that there is no one whom Nash should go after. I think the only Knick I'd want is Nate Robinson.

Ed O

Steve Francis is a very very good basketball player. Thomas has made a lot of mistakes, but acquiring Francis for an expiring contract would not be one of them.

The Knicks are way WAY over the cap for a long LONG time. And they can totally afford to be. The way that they are going to get better is to add more talent and hope that they can find the right mix... not give away their players in some bid to get under the cap.

Would Marbury and Francis in the backcourt together work? I dunno. But it is a potentially awesome combination and if it costs them Crawford and Penny then it's a good gamble IMO.

Ed O.

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IMO, Francis would only make sense as an addition if the Knicks are planning on moving Marbury. If you put these two guys in the same backcourt, the Knicks frontcourt players might as well go sit on the bench on offense because they sure aren't going to be seeing the ball.

Thomas is acting like a man desperate to make a trade. I guess only having 14 wins at this point in the season, especially if you're spending $100 mil in salaries, will put a little pressure on a GM.

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Read the latest article on the Knicks at realgm.com. It pretty much nails what IT is doing. All his trades are high-risk, high-reward.

BTW peaceman, it's 'Francis'.

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Dan

but the thing is, what has francis and marbury shown to suggest that any combo of the two of them would be "potentially awesome"? Just like Baron Davis on the W's, it looks good on paper, but turns out not to be as good in person.

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Ed O

They're two of the best hybrid guards in the NBA... each capable of distributing or scoring, each capable of hitting perimeter shots or getting to the line. They've each got excellent size and strength for point guards and while guarding some 2's is going to be tough on either or both of them, they're reasonably equipped physically to do so.

And you've mentioned the Baron Davis acquisition by the Warriors a couple times now. The Warriors ARE better for having traded for Davis. Nine games better than they were this time last year (23-28 this, 14-37 last). I'm not so sure you want to keep trotting that out as a "looks good on paper but doesn't work" example, Hap.

Ed O.

Ed O

I don't agree. Marbury and Francis have been, for the vast majority of their careers, the best player on each of their teams (KG at one end of Marbury's career and Howard at the other of Francis's excepted). Marbury's still managed to get over 8 assists per game, while Francis has managed a more pedestrian 6.

Each of them shooting, though, tends to be a good thing given their FG%... 43% or higher for each.

I think he has to be feeling pressure, and part of that pressure is getting something for an expiring contract that otherwise is going to do him no good. Francis will help this team more than Penny the rest of the year along with the cash savings the following few. I don't see why people are writing this off as another bad idea by Thomas. Guess it's easy to pile on given his team's lack of success this year.

Ed O.

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I think it's because jumping on Thomas is just easy. He's made a lot of mistakes, so people/media expect every move to be the same. I also think it would be a good move for NY, especially if $$ is no object. They get rid of Penny who is a waste of a roster spot, along with the Crawford, who, to put it lightly, "isn't that good".

Would this trade make NY a playoff team? Who knows, but they should be better. If you can get decent talent like Francis for an expiring and change, you do it. This is something I'm starting to see after our recent history.

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Dan

true, but they're also two alpha guards of which neither has ever really done anything of note in the league.

the way they ended last season, people acted as though they were going to be a lot better than 5 games under .500 this year. I'd say that the 18-6 finish they had, resulting in a 23-28 record this year, isn't really the big mistake in not getting Baron Davis as it's made out to be. I'd hope a team with Baron Davis AND Jason Richardson and the rest of their group would be better than 4.5 games better than Portland.

Seems to me, for all the grief the team got for not getting Baron Davis last year, and all the great things the W's were supposed to do, a 4.5 game lead on a much weaker Portland team, isn't all that impressive. The W's weren't supposed to be last in their division, and the 5th worst team in the conference.

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gatorpops

i agree with you Ed. Surly Brown is giving some imput into this as well. Not all Isiah.

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