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BrooklynBaller · 03-09-2006, 11:18 PM

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Oooops...guess it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

http://www.kenn.com/sports/basketbal...ttendance.html

Hey, at least the Grizzlies still averaged 16,000 fans a game with one of the worst teams and management groups in the league. We'll see how the Blazers are doing attendance wise next year my man. Then we'll see. The Blazers were only selling out in the mid-90's cuz they had one of the best teams in the league. True fans stick around when the going gets tough and Portland fans are nowhere to be seen now - the attendance figures may say 16,500 per game ... but we all know the RG stadium has more than 4,000 no shows on any given night.

The attendance dipped to 13,000 when people started to realize that the ownership group had no intention of keeping the team in Vancouver. Would you support a team you knew was going to move? So, sa1177 maybe you should learn a thing or two before opening that big trap of yours.

**sa1177** · 03-09-2006, 11:57 PM

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Hey, at least the Grizzlies still averaged 16,000 fans a game with one of the worst teams and management groups in the league. We'll see how the Blazers are doing attendance wise next year my man. Then we'll see. The Blazers were only selling out in the mid-90's cuz they had one of the best teams in the league. True fans stick around when the going gets tough and Portland fans are nowhere to be seen now - the attendance figures may say 16,500 per game ... but we all know the RG stadium has more than 4,000 no shows on any given night.

The attendance dipped to 13,000 when people started to realize that the ownership group had no intention of keeping the team in Vancouver. Would you support a team you knew was going to move? So, sa1177 maybe you should learn a thing or two before opening that big trap of yours.

Ok a couple things...thanks I for one..I laughed my *** off at this post.

Two...Grizz atendance numbers wouldn't have ever been higher then Portland regardless of the team selling or not.

Three yes I would be a fan If I knew the team was going to move...only a sad *** fair weather fan wouldn't. I bet you know the kind well.

Four...read the forum rules or you won't last very long here.

Five...I should learn a thing or two? Ummm did you not notice weblinkk I posted where I got all the information I used? Nothing to learn..It's a fact that you are wrong simple as that.

Six..keep saying we'll see, we'll see...that's what people who are full of **** say because they can't think of anything better.

Utherhimo · 03-10-2006, 12:00 AM

wow brook why do you like the blazers? you want to steal the blazers from portland? if van is so nba hungry why havent they pushed to get a team? why the language and hostility? Just cus you cant get the blazers? did you even read my other posts? you are souring me on Van getting a team cus I dont like your holy-than-thou attitude.

Why dont you just get an expansion team? why name would you give them? BC Moose?

**sa1177** · 03-10-2006, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Utherhimo

wow brook why do you like the blazers? you want to steal the blazers from portland? if van is so nba hungry why havent they pushed to get a team? why the language and hostility? Just cus you cant get the blazers? did you even read my other posts? you are souring me on Van getting a team cus I dont like your holy-than-thou attitude.

Why dont you just get an expansion team? why name would you give them? BC Moose?

I think he was upset because I made him look just a tad bit foolish...well let that be a lesson on what happens when you don't do your homework.

Bab · 03-10-2006, 12:08 AM

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Ok a couple things...thanks I for one..I laughed my *** off at this post.

Two...Grizz atendance numbers wouldn't have ever been higher then Portland regardless of the team selling or not.

Three yes I would be a fan If I knew the team was going to move...only a sad *** fair weather fan wouldn't. I bet you know the kind well.

Four...read the forum rules or you won't last very long here.

Five..keep saying we'll see, we'll see...that's what people who are full of **** say because they can't think of anything better.

It's the sad *** fair weather fans that fill up the stadiums. Of course the die hard fans will stick with the team until the end, but diehards don't add up to 18,000 every game.

So yes, the 13,000 attendance record is understandable considering the situations.

I personally don't think Vancouver will get an NBA team until after the olympics, nor do I think Portland will relocate to Vancouver. Just pointing out how flawed your logic was on that point.

Bab · 03-10-2006, 12:10 AM

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I think he was upset because I made him just a tad bit foolish...well let that be a lesson on what happens when you don't do your homework.

How did you make him look foolish?

Attendance was very solid for how abysmal the team was. OF COURSE the fans will be upset when the owner announces the team will relocate after he promised he wouldn't move the team. This isn't like an inevetible thing where the Grizzlies haad to move. It was a greedy American owner wanting to move to the States. That's why attendance dropped...the city felt betrayed.

**sa1177** · 03-10-2006, 12:15 AM

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How did you make him look foolish?

Attendance was very solid for how abysmal the team was. OF COURSE the fans will be upset when the owner announces the team will relocate after he promised he wouldn't move the team. This isn't like an inevetible thing where the Grizzlies haad to move. It was a greedy American owner wanting to move to the States. That's why attendance dropped...the city felt betrayed.

As I remember he claimed Grizzlie attendance was much higher then Portlands;

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The stadium routinely had 16,000-plus fans for games (more than I can say for the Blazers).

..and then based most of his argument for moving the Blazers to Vancouver on this premise. I proved the premise wrong and posted evidence proving so.

Note I never said Grizzlie attendance was bad..nor did insult the Grizzlies I simply pointed out the fact that Grizzlie attendance was never better then Portland's.

As for the "fair weahter fan thing.." I simply stated I was not a fair weather fan..didn't say that was true of other Blazer fans. You are correct that not enough true fans exist to fill 18,000 seats but regardless the Blazers will survive here in Portland due to other reasons IMO. Stern/NBA involvement, Rich NBA history etc.

myELFboy · 03-10-2006, 12:50 AM

if anyone is curious, here's a Sonics Central semi-article about the Vancouver thing:

http://sonicscentral.com/blog/?p=481

It's great that Vancouver wants a basketball team, but pilfering one from its US neighbors to the south would not please many fans in WA or OR. The city of Seattle will get something done WHEN the Sonics organization organizes what they want to do with the Arena....they go into legislation without having a solid plan; it's no wonder they were told to get it together & come back next year....the unorganized, slapped together plan typifies the season for the Sonics. If they move, I'll be very surprised.

Same with Portland....I don't know all the details, whether Paul Allen is serious about selling the team or not, but I doubt they go anywhere. Seattle & Portland have had loyal fanbases. It would be a shame to move either.

**sa1177** · 03-10-2006, 12:54 AM

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if anyone is curious, here's a Sonics Central semi-article about the Vancouver thing:

http://sonicscentral.com/blog/?p=481

It's great that Vancouver wants a basketball team, but pilfering one from its US neighbors to the south would not please many fans in WA or OR. The city of Seattle will get something done WHEN the Sonics organization organizes what they want to do with the Arena....they go into legislation without having a solid plan; it's no wonder they were told to get it together & come back next year....the unorganized, slapped together plan typifies the season for the Sonics. If they move, I'll be very surprised.

Same with Portland....I don't know all the details, whether Paul Allen is serious about selling the team or not, but I doubt they go anywhere. Seattle & Portland have had loyal fanbases. It would be a shame to move either.

Danm right..! They take the Blazers or Sonics and it means War with Canada. NBA basketball is as valuable and important as oil so why the hell not?

soonerterp · 03-10-2006, 02:00 AM

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... I agree Van will never get the Blazers but I would love to see the nba back into the League having seen the stadium is huge and nice looking. I hope they get a team once agian with owners that keep the team in Van, I love visiting VAN feels more like Portland than Seattle does.

They could put VAN in the NW disivion and the Bandits in the Midwest or whatever division the pistions are in.

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Here is to OKC and VAn getting teams as long as they dont get the blazers.

Though some of the reasons are mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I still can't really understand why the NBA left Vancouver to begin with. While I seriously, seriously doubt that David Stern will expand the league again (he was quoted somewhere as saying 30 teams is a "fine" number), it could perhaps be something to consider somewhere down the road. Then again, Toronto, Orlando, Seattle and Portland are facing issues that may or may not mean relocation. Stern also isn't crazy about relocating teams (Katrina presented an unprecedented situation, though ... if we all had our way perhaps, the Hornets would still be in an intact New Orleans) ... so unless something really dramatic happens, I don't really see the NBA changing.

And to be honest, at the end of the day I think the Trail Blazers stay put ... while there are figures in OKC that may be following the situation in Portland, I don't register any great interest on this end in relocating the Blazers to OKC. Then again, certain parties are so smitten with the Hornets they aren't going to want them to leave when the second year is up.

I really have to speak to OKC though because I live in the area. I would be hesitant to grant OKC an NBA team until everybody sees how the second season of the Hornets' temporary relocation goes. To some extent this is still in the honeymoon phase (but then again who knew the Hornets were going to be a much improved team from last season) ... when OKC has to deal with some of the things that pro sports cities have to deal with, I'm not quite sure yet.

I know you were being hypothetical with your team names but I have to add this thought: There is an NBADL team in Tulsa, the 66ers (they've had an awful season). The name references Route 66, which ran through Tulsa (and OKC) and figures large, although not always nicely, in state history. If it wasn't already taken it would be a cool name for a hypothetical/proposed Oklahoma City NBA franchise.

Utherhimo · 03-10-2006, 02:49 AM

but we already have a name like that the 76ers so the nba 66ers is a no go so what would you name the team? the okc sooners? :P

actually i think the second season is a trail if you guys support the hornets like you did this season ( i am all for you guys getting a team that a cool arena) then i think he will grant you a team and since that would make 31 he would add another hopefully in van.

so we can get the twolves out of our division they are about as nw as meso america eating tofu!

soonerterp · 03-10-2006, 02:03 PM

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but we already have a name like that the 76ers so the nba 66ers is a no go so what would you name the team? the okc sooners? :P

You're right ... does sound too similar to the 76ers. I've been straining my brain IF OKC gets a franchise trying to come up with a name that DOESN'T refer to Western lore. Obviously Native American names would be a no-no too.

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actually i think the second season is a trail if you guys support the hornets like you did this season ( i am all for you guys getting a team that a cool arena) then i think he will grant you a team and since that would make 31 he would add another hopefully in van.

so we can get the twolves out of our division they are about as nw as meso america eating tofu!

The amount of support the Hornets have received is certainly amazing ... barring the unforeseen I don't see why that support doesn't hold steady next year ... that is to say, what happens when the honeymoon's over?

About divisional realignment, if two teams were to be added, I don't see why a hypothetical Oklahoma City team couldn't be in the Southwest. New Orleans could move back into the EC SE Division, the Wizards back to the Atlantic division with their more natural rivals like Philadelphia, Boston and New Jersey. I don't see why Minnesota is in the Northwest as it is instead of the same division with Detroit and Indiana.

Ugh more later but this can give me some stuff to think about while I'm away from home tonight ... oh I hate to tear myself away from all this college basketball today

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