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RipCity9 · 03-24-2006, 09:07 AM

Darius deserves every bit of criticism Quick threw at him - what a waste.

NBAGOD · 03-24-2006, 09:08 AM

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but singling out Darius like that in a game summary is just bad bad journalism.

But wasn't the Miles situation by far the most newsworthy aspect of the game? I would think a good reporter would probe the situation to the fullest (i.e. questioning both Miles and the coach to get their sides of the story), rather than just writing that Miles missed shoot-around and was benched.

Something tells me that Canzano will chime in on the topic at some point too!

**BBert** · 03-24-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Quick

PHOENIX -- When this little soap opera called the Trail Blazers signed off earlier this week, it was with its despondent coach, Nate McMillan, lamenting how there always seems to be "drama" intertwined within the team's story line of losses.

Now, after Thursday's latest episode -- a 125-108 loss at Phoenix -- this season series has been reduced to nothing short of a comedy.

This has nothing to do with reporting on the game. This is an editorial. It is designed to evoke emotion and sway public opinion. What happened to the game summary? What happened to sports reporters who write facts; not opinions presented as facts?

Isn't there one writer for the Oregonian who can present facts about a game without trying to sway public opinion? Or win a Pulitzer? Is there one sports writer on that rag who will write about sports without fancying themselves as some literary genius or our savior in shining armour who protects us by enforcing their standards on local athletes?

If someone wants to write an editorial blasting Miles, fine. Go for it. Guys get paid for that. But call it what it is -- an opinion piece. I'm just so sick of Jason Quick writing every single game article he writes in a manner to affect public opinion in favor of whichever player he's sleeping with or against whoever wouldn't kiss his ***.

This thing is written as if the Miles situation is completely unique in pro sports. It's nice to know that Darius Miles is the only athlete in the history of sports whose ever had a conflict with a coach; or pouted about how they are used; or skipped a practice; or "overslept;" or otherwise went on a little mini-strike. Yes, this kind of 'drama' and 'comedy' only happens in Portland, don't you know.

And before you blast me for that statement, I'm not saying that any of those things aren't bad. Or that they shouldn't be reported. Of course they are bad. Of course they should be reported. We want to know. But not always in the biased, one-sided format of someone trying to sway our 'vote.' This guy could write for Fox "News."

I'd just like to read a game summary, stating the known facts of what happened, without someone deigning that they will do my thinking for me; that they will evaluate the good and evil of each player on my behalf; and they'll let me know how to feel about all of it.

Give me some unbiased, factual reporting first. Then let someone else follow up with an editorial under the heading: "Opinion."

Good Night and Good Luck.

Masbee · 03-24-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

That's pretty funny. The thing is, of course, that many people would read that poll as, "Who's the worst player of those listed?" and compared to the other four Miles is clearly inferior.

I find it hard to believe that Miles is that overrated... who rates him highly?

Ed O.

I saw the headline last night. Didn't read the article - still haven't. My first thought was exactly the same:

How can you be MOST overrated when you aren't highly rated to begin with?

Who has hyped Darius as much of anything - RECENTLY? Sure, he was drafted #3, but that happened a little while back. And Darius was mostly written off by NBA observers after his horrible run with Cleveland.

It is all relative, right?

Highly rated with mediocre stats = over-rated.

Moderately rated with horrible stats = over-rated.

Moderately rated (Darius) with moderate stats (Darius) = NOT over-rated

How can you be a has-been if you never were?

**sa1177** · 03-24-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fork

Wrong.

Allen, allegedly, rated him highly only when compared o the ****ty players we had at the same same time. Hell...Miles is still arguably our best all-around player, so...how is Paul Allen wrong exactly?

Allen gave Darius a salary comparable to other semi-star players in the league. That makes it comparable IMO.

Ed O · 03-24-2006, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Masbee

How can you be a has-been if you never were?

Totally. We got Miles in trade for Jeff Freakin' McInnis.

Was Miles too highly rated at that point?

And what has he done since then to garner more (any) high ratings? Other than Nash paying a huge chunk of money in a long-term contract?

I just don't see it.

Ed O.

tradetheo · 03-24-2006, 01:51 PM

shouldn't the signing of miles and theo be reason enough for nash to be out of a job for next season? I don't care what paul allen was thinking, nash is the gm. If he didn't want him, he should have told paul allen what he thought and told him not to sign him.

**Dan** · 03-24-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tradetheo

shouldn't the signing of miles and theo be reason enough for nash to be out of a job for next season? I don't care what paul allen was thinking, nash is the gm. If he didn't want him, he should have told paul allen what he thought and told him not to sign him.

yep. it's that easy.

tradetheo · 03-24-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hap

yep. it's that easy.

yeah it is. Paul allen knows nothing about basketball. if we were talking computer, then yeah, allen knows what he's talking about. but when it comes to judging talent, that is what the gm is for. If he wants to save money, why doesn't allen just become gm himself since he knows so much.

**crandc** · 03-24-2006, 02:03 PM

Problem is not lack of talent. It's lack of effort.
Let's not rewrite history. Most everyone was clamoring for Miles and Ratliff to be re-signed after their first half season in Portland. I will be honest and say I sure did. When the Miles negotiations took longer than expected, folks here were saying Nash should be fired for not signing Miles. Now he should be fired for signing Miles?
And none of us are flies on the wall. Maybe Nash told Allen that Miles would become complacent with a set contract? And Allen said no he wouldn't? I'm not saying that did happen, but we don't know. It's silly to say Nash should be fired for not telling Allen not to sign Miles when none of us know what was said.

**Dan** · 03-24-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crandc

Problem is not lack of talent. It's lack of effort.
Let's not rewrite history. Most everyone was clamoring for Miles and Ratliff to be re-signed after their first half season in Portland. I will be honest and say I sure did. When the Miles negotiations took longer than expected, folks here were saying Nash should be fired for not signing Miles. Now he should be fired for signing Miles?
And none of us are flies on the wall. Maybe Nash told Allen that Miles would become complacent with a set contract? And Allen said no he wouldn't? I'm not saying that did happen, but we don't know. It's silly to say Nash should be fired for not telling Allen not to sign Miles when none of us know what was said.

what she said.

**Talkhard** · 03-24-2006, 02:38 PM

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If Canzano had written that, that would be one thing (he is a columnist, after all), but singling out Darius like that in a game summary is just bad bad journalism.

On the contrary, it's excellent journalism. Most writers don't ask penetrating or controversial questions because they're afraid of offending the person they're interviewing. Quick said "what the hell" and decided to ask what had to be asked. I, for one, applaud him for it. Good journalism gets to the bottom of things--it doesn't skim along the surface and ignore the questions we're all dying to have answers for.

BlayZa · 03-24-2006, 06:06 PM

he's been over-potentialised if anything.

just about every team and every year has been expecting the season where he finally becomes as most people think he could be... perhaps , he just isnt that good.

ed is right , we couldnt stand Jeff yet the Cavs took him for darius and we had a 'steal' - personally i dont know how or when the bar was set so high for Darius.

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