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jwhoops11 · 03-30-2006, 01:19 PM

Wow, I guess I'm just not sure what people expect out of a guy two years removed from High School...

Did you expect Bryant, Garnett, or Lebron??

I mean honestly, If you did, then I understand. But then that would be your fault and not the organizations fault.

How about giving the guy a chance to reach legal drinking age before we give up on him?

As far as I'm concerned the flashes he shows allows him at least that much...

For the love of god, how about we give Nate a chance to mold these young guys in the name of continuity, before we begin calling them dissapointments.

Ed O · 03-30-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BEER&BASKETBALL

No, I just think unfair to second guess decisions made by GM's etc , based on what we know now. They dont have a crystal ball.

How do you tell whether a GM has done a good job?

I'm asking that in all honesty. Without the benefit of hindsight, how can we tell if Nash, or Walker, or whomever is doing a good job?

Ed O.

**Dan** · 03-30-2006, 01:21 PM

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Josh Smith has been coming on lately... don't know if he'll ever be a superstar but he can get to the rim and he can wipe them off of the rim as well.

Something to remember about him - that was Detroit's pick that Atlanta acquired for Rasheed Wallace.

Remember Rasheed, he's that guy we traded for the rights to overpay Theo Ratliff.

Hindsight is a *****, but we could have had Jefferson, Smith, Khryapa, and West in that draft and then picked up Chris Paul last year...

hindsight is 20-20, but so is your predicting of who they could've had. If they got those guys (as the implication is they'd be better) wouldn't that have made the team better and therefore, *not* gotten the 3rd pick in the draft?

I mean, if those guys are so much better, the team should've been better, right? otherwise, whats the point of complaining about not getting them?

**sa1177** · 03-30-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SMiLE

wow...so at 20 years old already shooting almost as good from deep as Blake has (several years older) and better than Jack (despite being younger and not a "good shooter") isn't any better?

Conversely, one could say that the fact that blake is several years older (and more experienced) and not better than Jack or Telfair (and hasn't show ANYTHING in his whole career that he's going to get significantly better), they shuold get rid of him.

Sometimes I think people aren't watching games, but just want to repeat stuff about players that they hear other people say, because it's just easier. How anyone can honestly say that Telfair hasn't show he has more potential than at bare min, Blake, is beyond logic.

Ooh, I know, I'm just a "telfair lover" blah blah blah other 8th grade arguing logic.

First and foremost I would assume you know me better then to make the accusation that I "repeat stuff" that I hear other posters say. You should know by now I could give a **** about what anyone else here says in terms of formulating my own oppinion.

Also note I said it was my oppinion that Telfair has not showed anymore potential then Blake or Jack. I you would like to provide evidence that supports something different I'd like to see it. All three have had big games etc which points to future potential but none more then the others. Your point about Blake's age is legit but who is to say he can't have sucess at a older age? It's surely happened before.

Last...I have never made the "Hap is a Telfair lover" claim against you in a negative manner so no need to throw that piece in there. Although I am still convinced you are a facist, Nazi-homo who is trying to take over the board.

**sa1177** · 03-30-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

How do you tell whether a GM has done a good job?

I'm asking that in all honesty. Without the benefit of hindsight, how can we tell if Nash, or Walker, or whomever is doing a good job?

Ed O.

Marked improvement from year to year? It's a good question for sure.

For Three! Rip City! · 03-30-2006, 01:50 PM

Well maybe we can unload Darius for JR Smith this offseason? I might even throw in Khrapa.

**Dan** · 03-30-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sa1177

First and foremost I would assume you know me better then to make the accusation that I "repeat stuff" that I hear other posters say. You should know by now I could give a **** about what anyone else here says in terms of formulating my own oppinion.

Also note I said it was my oppinion that Telfair has not showed anymore potential then Blake or Jack. I you would like to provide evidence that supports something different I'd like to see it. All three have had big games etc which points to future potential but none more then the others. Your point about Blake's age is legit but who is to say he can't have sucess at a older age? It's surely happened before.

Last...I have never made the "Hap is a Telfair lover" claim against you in a negative manner so no need to throw that piece in there. Although I am still convinced you are a facist, Nazi-homo who is trying to take over the board.

wasn't making comments drected at you.

plus, you forgot something rather important.

I'm a facist nazi homo mod, who's also has a mind set like bush.

mediocre man · 03-30-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sa1177

Marked improvement from year to year? It's a good question for sure.

Define "marked improvement"

If a GM is saddled with overpaid disgruntled players that the fans want out of town because they are "bad" guys and as GM you get rid of them and start over knowing full well you are going to struggle for a few years is that bad, or good?

**SheedSoNasty** · 03-30-2006, 01:53 PM

The one thing that gets me about that proposal is that Smith has been criticized for the same problem that Darius has... motivation. If that's the case, I'm not so sure he fit well into Nate's system of playing hard at all times. However, I'd much rather take a chance on Smith than have Darius for the remainder of his contract.

**sa1177** · 03-30-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SMiLE

wasn't making comments drected at you.

plus, you forgot something rather important.

I'm a facist nazi homo mod, who's also has a mind set like bush.

Ok I then hereby step down as leader of the coup attempt to overthrow you.

I knew I forgot one piece, was to lazy to look it up. It's the funniest one though.

**sa1177** · 03-30-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mediocre man

Define "marked improvement"

If a GM is saddled with overpaid disgruntled players that the fans want out of town because they are "bad" guys and as GM you get rid of them and start over knowing full well you are going to struggle for a few years is that bad, or good?

very good point..."marked improvement" is probably different for each GM and organization. I suppose we could measure Nash by using the 25point pledge as a blueprint for areas of necessary improvement.

**B_&_B** · 03-30-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

How do you tell whether a GM has done a good job?

I'm asking that in all honesty. Without the benefit of hindsight, how can we tell if Nash, or Walker, or whomever is doing a good job?

Ed O.

I guess you kinda got me on that one. But what I base my opinion of a GM on is how the move looked at the time it was made.

Ed O · 03-30-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BEER&BASKETBALL

I guess you kinda got me on that one. But what I base my opinion of a GM on is how the move looked at the time it was made.

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