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Old 03-30-2006, 02:46 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

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Old 03-30-2006, 02:47 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

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I guess you kinda got me on that one. But what I base my opinion of a GM on is how the move looked at the time it was made.
When evaluating a single decision, I agree with you. One should evaluate it based on what was known at the time.

However, when evaluating an overall body of work, results are what matter. If a GM, or any other executive, is successful over a significant amount of time, that matters more than understanding why he chose to do what he did. If an executive is unsuccessful over a significant amount of time, that matters more than whether the decisions seemed rational at the time.

That's how executives are always judged, by results. Not by what made sense at the time.
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Old 03-30-2006, 02:54 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

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Wow, I guess I'm just not sure what people expect out of a guy two years removed from High School...
Did you expect Bryant, Garnett, or Lebron??
No. In fact, I didn't expect much - not much was expected of Telfair, which is why he would've fallen lower than #15 if Nash hadn't had a "hunch" about him.

Hell, it's not that he's a high-schooler - so is Shaun Livingston, who is also developing slowly, but whom I'd much rather have than Telfair. It's his style of play. I think you either are a pass-first guard or you aren't. Telfair isn't. That doesn't change. Larry Brown couldn't change Iverson into a pass-first guard, so he moved him to SG. Now he's pulling his hair out because Thomas gave him Marbury AND Francis (AND Nate Robinson). I don't like score-first PGs. I don't particularly like short PGs either, which is why I'm not TOO cut up about not getting Chris Paul.

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How about giving the guy a chance to reach legal drinking age before we give up on him?
I'm from England - legal drinking age is when you're old enough to reach the bar. The best English player is Wayne Rooney, who was a star by age 18. But I digress.

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As far as I'm concerned the flashes he shows allows him at least that much...
He shows flashes because he's a flashy player. That's different from a good player.

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For the love of god, how about we give Nate a chance to mold these young guys in the name of continuity, before we begin calling them disappointments.
Is that what Nate's doing by playing them 30 minutes one game and 0 the next?

I don't think Telfair wants to be "molded". He wants to play "his" game. So I say, more power to him - let him play it somewhere else.
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Old 03-30-2006, 03:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

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When evaluating a single decision, I agree with you. One should evaluate it based on what was known at the time.

However, when evaluating an overall body of work, results are what matter. If a GM, or any other executive, is successful over a significant amount of time, that matters more than understanding why he chose to do what he did. If an executive is unsuccessful over a significant amount of time, that matters more than whether the decisions seemed rational at the time.

That's how executives are always judged, by results. Not by what made sense at the time.
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Old 03-30-2006, 07:18 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

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These threads are hilarious! WHAT IF we would have drafted so and so.... what if so and so would have passed the ball to so and so instead of so and so... what if the refs wouldnt have screwed up the Super Bowl... what if it doesnt matter, we did what we did, and now we have to live with the good and bad of it all, regardless of what the question is.
exactly. hindsight is 20/20. This is what happens in the draft. Sometimes guys breakout faster than others, sometimes guys are drafted into a system that fits them perfect, sometimes a second round pick works harder than a lotto pick and has a better career because they work harder. Drafting is really a gamble, unless it's an incredibly loaded draft like 96 or 03.
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Old 03-30-2006, 07:43 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

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The one thing that gets me about that proposal is that Smith has been criticized for the same problem that Darius has... motivation. If that's the case, I'm not so sure he fit well into Nate's system of playing hard at all times. However, I'd much rather take a chance on Smith than have Darius for the remainder of his contract.
This post made me think of one thing...I totally and absolutely forgot that the Trail Blazers had Charles Smith on the team.

was he included in the Ruben trade? I forgot.
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Re: Re-Thinking the 2004 draft

I was talkin about J.R. Smith, Hap.

And yes, he was included in the Ruben trade.
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