View Poll Results: Which PG should we trade this offseason?

TerryPorter4Life · 04-02-2006, 03:45 PM

I think Blake will be gone, for the reasons that others already brought up about his value being higher than before, but I don't know if that is best for the team. From all the games I have seen, he has been pretty solid and Telfair ispretty inconsistent. I like Jack, so I don't want him to go anywhere, but this is what I propose: If possible, Blake and Miles or Ratliff for a marqyuee small forward, then trade Telfair to Seattle for Luke ridnour, straight up. Rid knows McMillans system and has proven that he can play solidly in it. He played his college ball at U of O so a lot of fans already know him, with him starting and Jack playing behnd him, it would be a good change up. I doubt it will happen, but their is always hoping.

Hype #9 · 04-02-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bballchik

I'm curious what you mean by that. What leadership qualities do you believe they posess and why?

They're vocal more than anything, as well as their demeanor. Can I give you specific examples? No, I can't, but just from watching them and judging their personalities I would say both Jack and Telfair have leadership qualities. It's especially encouraging since they're both so young.

And after reading/listening to Nate's comments lately, I tend to think he wants to hang onto Telfair and Jack.

Nate also vouches for this:

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Right now, the Blazers have two developing leaders in point guards Sebastian Telfair and Jarrett Jack. But Telfair, in his second year, is just 20 while Jack, a rookie, is 22.

Still, Telfair says he thinks he and Jack have the biggest presence in the locker room, a claim that McMillan doesn't discount.

"I think Sebastian does, no question," McMillan said. "He is vocal. He does speak up, and it's hard for him to speak up because of his inexperience and his age, but he does. And Jack does, too. He will get really frustrated with the way practice is going, and sometimes he will make comments, which is good, which is what we need."

Jack said he has some apprehension about exerting leadership because he is a rookie.

"I had talks with a couple of people about that, because coming into the NBA there is like an unwritten rule where rookies are supposed to be quiet and kind of earn your keep," Jack said. "But with this place, we don't really have any established veterans. We are a young bunch, and I'm trying to go into that role, saying that even though I'm a rookie, I'm going to step up and say something when I see fit."

Hype #9 · 04-02-2006, 04:04 PM

Here's another quote from Nate, that leads me to believe he wants to hang onto Jack and Telfair.

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"The first 71 games, I've tried to come up with the best combination to win games," McMillan said. "Now I think we're at a point where I know what the core of this team is about. I think we've really got to look at guys like Jack, Sebastian, and really what they are doing now."

**Dan** · 04-02-2006, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryPorter4Life

I think Blake will be gone, for the reasons that others already brought up about his value being higher than before, but I don't know if that is best for the team. From all the games I have seen, he has been pretty solid and Telfair ispretty inconsistent. I like Jack, so I don't want him to go anywhere, but this is what I propose: If possible, Blake and Miles or Ratliff for a marqyuee small forward, then trade Telfair to Seattle for Luke ridnour, straight up. Rid knows McMillans system and has proven that he can play solidly in it. He played his college ball at U of O so a lot of fans already know him, with him starting and Jack playing behnd him, it would be a good change up. I doubt it will happen, but their is always hoping.

why, if Luke knows nates system and proves he can play solidly in it, did Nate rely on Daniels so much?

Fork · 04-02-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SMiLE

why, if Luke knows nates system and proves he can play solidly in it, did Nate rely on Daniels so much?

Last year, his 2nd in the league, Ridnour started all 82 games and averaged 31.4 minutes, third on the team. That's a lot for a 2nd year point guard. Daniels was an excellent 6th man, so it makes sense that Nate played both players a lot. That doesn't take anything away from Ridnour.

**SheedSoNasty** · 04-02-2006, 05:19 PM

Nice finds, Hype. It's nice to know that we have some young guys who aren't afraid to be vocal. Hopefully the vets can either take a lesson from them or at least let them lead without having to deal with any of this newbie type stuff.

mediocre man · 04-02-2006, 06:54 PM

Trade Blake for several reasons

1. Telfair and Jack are equally as good as he is right now and are much younger.
2. Blake has nearly as much trade value as the other two
3. Maybe if Blake's gone no one will pass the ball to their college buddy Juan Dixon

Well I can only think of 3 right now, but I know there is at least 9

bballchik · 04-02-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mediocre man

Trade Blake for several reasons

1. Telfair and Jack are equally as good as he is right now and are much younger.
2. Blake has nearly as much trade value as the other two
3. Maybe if Blake's gone no one will pass the ball to their college buddy Juan Dixon

Well I can only think of 3 right now, but I know there is at least 9

last time i checked point guards are supposed to pass the ball. especially to their wide open shooting guards. it's not blake's fault dixon sucks. it's dixon's.

MAS RipCity · 04-02-2006, 08:03 PM

Bye bye Blake...your the oldest and no better then the other two and your upside is maxed out. Thanks for the season, but your too good to be our 3rd stringer.

Utherhimo · 04-02-2006, 08:22 PM

wow so true MAS so true

soonerterp · 04-02-2006, 09:47 PM

With all due respect, why all the Blake hate? Out of anyone left on the Portland roster from what I've observed, he's one of the few players out there that still gives a damn.

He's a solid player and by all accounts, a solid gentleman. But no one is perfect. And I've observed him for a very very long time ... he has improved his numbers every year as a three year player (the only reason his progress was impeded was when he lost nearly half the 2004-2005 season to an ankle injury. Being stuck behind Gilbert Arenas didn't help much either).

And don't take me for a Telfair hater. I don't hate that kid at all. I just don't know if he fits in what Nate is trying to do -- assuming the FO doesn't pressure him.

How do two talented players become so polarizing?

I think its entirely possible that the malaise in the Blazers organization as a whole -- ownership, front office management -- has trickled down to the court. And what is this with Nate's substitution and rotation patterns of late? Is it possible that the FO (such as it is) is pressuring Nate? Can they leave the basketball to the players and coaches? Apparently not?

If ANYBODY is jettisoned from the Blazers, start with the idiots in front office before dumping players. And then the players that don't appear to give a damn (I think we all know who those are) should go first before anybody takes up the difficult decision of jettisoning one of three talented point guards.

southnc · 04-02-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by soonerterp

With all due respect, why all the Blake hate? Out of anyone left on the Portland roster from what I've observed, he's one of the few players out there that still gives a damn (he had a bad line against Seattle tonight, but judging by the line scores he had some company).

He's a solid player and by all accounts, a solid gentleman. But no one is perfect. And I've observed him for a very very long time ... he has improved his numbers every year as a three year player (the only reason his progress was impeded was when he lost nearly half the 2004-2005 season to an ankle injury. Being stuck behind Gilbert Arenas didn't help much either).

And don't take me for a Telfair hater. I don't hate that kid at all. I just don't know if he fits in what Nate is trying to do -- assuming the FO doesn't pressure him.

How do two talented players become so polarizing?

I think its entirely possible that the malaise in the Blazers organization as a whole -- ownership, front office management -- has trickled down to the court. And what is this with Nate's substitution and rotation patterns of late? Is it possible that the FO (such as it is) is pressuring Nate? Can they leave the basketball to the players and coaches? Apparently not?

If ANYBODY is jettisoned from the Blazers, start with the idiots in front office before dumping players. And then the players that don't appear to give a damn (I think we all know who those are) should go first before anybody takes up the difficult decision of jettisoning one of three talented point guards.

Well said, soonerterp!

The sad reality is, as you indicated, the problem is not going to be resolved by just trading one of the PGs. It is a much greater problem that probably does start with the front office.

As for Blake, I cannot see how he would be upset over a possible trade. Especially if he ends up on a team like Cleveland or Detroit. For that matter, I'm sure most of the players wouldn't mind being on any other team after a game like tonight's against Seattle - a team the Blazers beat not long ago.

RedHot&Rolling · 04-02-2006, 09:58 PM

A point guard should be able to do the following really well:
1. Pass the ball accurately
2. Hit open shots
3. Defend on the ball - full court
4. Penetrate defense with dribble
5. Create own shot (extra bonus)

Our threesome PG's can do all the following from 1-3. Telfair and Jack excel when #4 come into play. Jack stands alone (so far) with #5.

I'm hoping Nate picks Sabby and Jack. Nothing against Blake - fine basic PG. But I want a little more than he's shown. I think he's at his pinnacle.

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