View Poll Results: Who do you think POR mgmt WILL take?

**sa1177** · 04-04-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kmurph

I did read your post, and I started the damm poll....YOU were the one who has said here twcie and in other threads that YOU think POR is going to trade the pick...ALst time I checked...."trading the pick" wasn't among the poll options now was it?

Did you write that? Nash & Pritchard satting they need some veterans doesn't sound any different from the crap they said the last two years...

and my comment to you and to others who mention trading the pick...is again...WHO do you think POR is going to get for the pick? b\c I think some of you are living in fantasyland when some of you start mentioning players like Garnett...

and as I previously mentioned here, I think dealing for a 30yr old Pierce isn't a much wiser decison, given his age, and his aversion to coming here...yeah he is going to be REAL happy once he gets here....

Sorry I just don't see any young players of note, that POR could trade a #1 pick for...particularly in a draft w\o a consensus "franchise" player in it, and if there was\is then POR mgmt would be idiots to trade that pick away in the 1st place...

ok...care to find anywhere else then here where I said that. I don't recall ever saying anything about trading the pick until now. Also Check out the Garnett threads...I believe I said it was "impossible" to get him or something close to that.

Frankly I have no idea who we would/could get for the pick...as I said I have heard quite a bit of talk from the team management about "acquiring a veteran" and "not getting younger." That simply makes me think it's a possibility. You find a team with a disgruntled star who want's out and you might be able to swing a deal. I would rather have Rashard Lewis who is 26 for instance then any of the top 6 guys in this years draft.

Oh and by the way...Pierce doesn't even turn 29 until next October.

Utherhimo · 04-04-2006, 03:33 PM

sa just answer his question?

I dont see us trading our first pick for "veteran leadership" cus of three things they are normally homegrown, go to good teams or come for the money which we have none.

I picked Noah do to Jeol bolting and theo being traded but I wouldnt mind thomas or morrison either but no gay ( we have miles we dont need his clone) and aldridge for his injured past (bowie bowie), those last too were unimpressive during the tounryment, when ald and gay should have shined.

Kmurph · 04-04-2006, 03:52 PM

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ok...care to find anywhere else then here where I said that. I don't recall ever saying anything about trading the pick until now.

hmmm....ok

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The NBA isn't college....and I disagree with you. We just don't need another young project type player right now...and certainly don't need one who has a weak offensive game

http://www.basketballboards.net/foru...6&page=5&pp=15

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You find a team with a disgruntled star who want's out and you might be able to swing a deal. I would rather have Rashard Lewis who is 26 for instance then any of the top 6 guys in this years

Well there is a name at least...but the list of "disgruntled star's" is a very short one....

and as I said previously, POR management has mentioned the importance of getting veteran players for quite awhile now, so this year is no different IMO...and a large part of the talk of "trading the pick" is coming from the coach and not the GM or Player Personnel Director....

I think trading away a top 3 pick is not a wise idea for a team in POR position..any player...even Rashard Lewis, traded to this team is not going to want to come here...POR needs to extricate themselves at leat in part from this mess before they can start to look to add vets like Lewis'...drafting in the top 3 of the draft provides POR with the best chance to do that IMO...

Utherhimo · 04-04-2006, 03:55 PM

i did the espn draft things and this is what i got:

#1: Adam Morrison (1)
#2: nil
#3: Noah (3) Tyrus (2) Adam (1)
#4: Aldridge (2) Noah (1)
#5: Aldridge (1)

total times drafting player: Noah (4) Aldridge (3) Morrison (2) Tyrus (2)

i would happy for any of those players just glad Gay didnt come up once!

**Schilly** · 04-04-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Utherhimo

i did the espn draft things and this is what i got:

#1: Adam Morrison (1)
#2: nil
#3: Noah (3) Tyrus (2) Adam (1)
#4: Aldridge (2) Noah (1)
#5: Aldridge (1)

total times drafting player: Noah (4) Aldridge (3) Morrison (2) Tyrus (2)

i would happy for any of those players just glad Gay didnt come up once!

Yeah I did the same thing...Based on process of elimination her eis their draft board...In order

Morrison
Noah
Thomas
Aldridge
McRoberts

I ran it through several dozen times and none other came up each one of the ones above were picked abov Bargnani.

Outside of Adam I see a similarity...Post players.

**sa1177** · 04-04-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kmurph

hmmm....ok

You did mention I had "advocated" trading this pick in other threads...still waiting to see those "mystery" threads.

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Originally Posted by Kmurph

Well there is a name at least...but the list of "disgruntled star's" is a very short one....

and as I said previously, POR management has mentioned the importance of getting veteran players for quite awhile now, so this year is no different IMO...and a large part of the talk of "trading the pick" is coming from the coach and not the GM or Player Personnel Director....

I think trading away a top 3 pick is not a wise idea for a team in POR position..any player...even Rashard Lewis, traded to this team is not going to want to come here...POR needs to extricate themselves at leat in part from this mess before they can start to look to add vets like Lewis'...drafting in the top 3 of the draft provides POR with the best chance to do that IMO...

Don't necessarily disagree with you on this but I think Portland management may. The season isn't over and once it is we may or may not find other "stars" who are looking to switch teams.

**Oldmangrouch** · 04-04-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deanwoof

I think Portland will make the mistake of drafting the best available talent instead of drafting what they need. Assuming we draft 3rd after Morrison and one of the bigs "with potential" are gone, I see Portland drafting a Rudy Gay, despite being overloaded at the 3 to replace Darius Miles.

Yep, we really dodged that bullet last year. Imagine if we had gotten stuck with that Paul guy instead of Webster!

Scouts, GMs, et al, may disagree on who the best player is. That's life. When a team makes a conscious choice to pass on the best available player......that's rank stupidity. Short of a Len Bias type situation, the outcome is going to be ugly.

Ed O · 04-04-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by deanwoof

I think Portland will make the mistake of drafting the best available talent instead of drafting what they need. Assuming we draft 3rd after Morrison and one of the bigs "with potential" are gone, I see Portland drafting a Rudy Gay, despite being overloaded at the 3 to replace Darius Miles.

I don't get that we're "overloaded at the 3 to replace Darius Miles" at all.

We don't have a single decent starter on the roster at that position other than Miles. Outlaw and Viktor might become that, but I don't think that it's very likely that they'll ever become all-star level players.

On the other hand, with a top-4 pick we should be looking for a player who's capable of making it to many all-star games. Irrespective of position.

Ed O.

Utherhimo · 04-04-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Schilly

Yeah I did the same thing...Based on process of elimination her eis their draft board...In order

Morrison
Noah
Thomas
Aldridge
McRoberts

I ran it through several dozen times and none other came up each one of the ones above were picked abov Bargnani.

Outside of Adam I see a similarity...Post players.

i did it a few more times since then and it came up with bargnani highest was #2 for bergnani and a couple times each at 4 and 5

deanwoof · 04-04-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

I don't get that we're "overloaded at the 3 to replace Darius Miles" at all.

We don't have a single decent starter on the roster at that position other than Miles. Outlaw and Viktor might become that, but I don't think that it's very likely that they'll ever become all-star level players.

On the other hand, with a top-4 pick we should be looking for a player who's capable of making it to many all-star games. Irrespective of position.

Ed O.

Webster, Krhyapa, Outlaw and Miles. That's 4 deep. That is overloaded. If you minus Miles and add Gay, which I think they will do, that still leaves 4 young guys. These guys may not be starter quarlity.

Last year the Blazers had the number 3 pick, so in point you're saying that Webster will be be in many all-star games, which I don't see happening with the West's guards/forwards. Kobe will always be an all-star, Carmelo will be there for many years, Chris Paul. The older guys will be there for the next 5-6 years as well - Duncan, KG, Dirk, Nash, Allen, Brand. And who knows about what the future holds.

chromekilla · 04-04-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ProudBFan

Interesting. I wouldn't consider that thing a "porn 'stache".

PBF

Thats weird alot of people consider it a 70s or 80s porn mustache.

TerryPorter4Life · 04-04-2006, 07:56 PM

[quote=Kmurph]
Secondly, I think a key question is will youth scare off POR? Thomas is a freshman, Noah\Aldridge are sophmores...Bargnani is 19? 20?...Given the slow maturation process of Outlaw\Telfair and Webster, would mgmt really add ANOTHER 2-3 year project?
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Outlaw: This is his third season, but he didn't play at all really his rookie season.
Telfair: Second season, inconsistent
Webster: This time last year he was sittin in home room bored out his skull.

There may be an argument for slow development in Outlaw, and I understand you are saying we don't need another project, but I think it is a little unfair to talk about Telfair maturing slowly, though he was a lottery pick. And, it is a complete joke to say Webster is maturing slowly given the fact he just graduated high school 10 months ago and his playing time thi year has been extremely sporadic for no reason. Stints in the NBDL, and Nate always changing the line-up even if Webster has a good game, makes it kind of hard for a guy to put up an All-Rookie Team type season...

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