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**Anima** · 04-05-2006, 12:02 PM

Reason #1 to love Sheed; He's inability to control his temper could cost the Pistons another championship.

**sa1177** · 04-05-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sue? D'Oh!

Reason #1 to love Sheed; He's inability to control his temper could cost the Pistons another championship.

I certainly hope a team other then Detroit or S.A. wins it this year...I would really like to see some new blood win the title. PHX or Dallas would be nice. Not to big on Miami since I am not much of a Shaq fan.

BlazerWookie · 04-05-2006, 12:21 PM

Reason #101: He no longer wears a Blazers jersey.

**Minstrel** · 04-05-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sa1177

His performance on the floor has nothing to do with the reasons why I feel he is not deserving of playing on a championship team. Guess it comes down to the fact that I would much rather see a nice guy winning a NBA championship ring then a bum like Rasheed.

Sheed has been an active member in the community, helping the underpriviledged, both in Portland and Detroit (no word on Atlanta). He's also supposedly a good and dedicated father.

IMO, that weighs more heavily in terms of his character then whether he was "sometimes polite, sometimes rude" around your friend.

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As noted by someone else earlier..Sheed never raised his game in the playoffs and thus the team never realized it's potential IMO.

Noted incorrectly. He averaged over 30 PPG in the Western Conference Finals against the Lakers in 2000 and the next year he played great defense against Shaq in the playoffs while putting up efficiency numbers that rivaled Shaq's.

RedHot&Rolling · 04-05-2006, 02:43 PM

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[As noted by someone else earlier..Sheed never raised his game in the playoffs and thus the team never realized it's potential IMO

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Originally Posted by Minstrel

........Noted incorrectly. He averaged over 30 PPG in the Western Conference Finals against the Lakers in 2000 and the next year he played great defense against Shaq in the playoffs while putting up efficiency numbers that rivaled Shaq's.

Rasheed's career stats and playoff stats:
Career 784 725 34.6 .482 .337 .711 1.7 5.3 6.9 2.0 .97 1.30 1.76 3.00 15.8
Playoff 98 98 35.9 .455 .343 .721 1.8 4.9 6.7 1.7 .87 1.37 1.46 3.60 15.3

Please note that FG% down from .482 to .455 in playoffs, Rebounds down, Assists down, Steals down, Points down and Fouls up.

Care to revise your statement above????

**Minstrel** · 04-05-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot&Rolling

Rasheed's career stats and playoff stats:
Career 784 725 34.6 .482 .337 .711 1.7 5.3 6.9 2.0 .97 1.30 1.76 3.00 15.8
Playoff 98 98 35.9 .455 .343 .721 1.8 4.9 6.7 1.7 .87 1.37 1.46 3.60 15.3

Please note that FG% down from .482 to .455 in playoffs, Rebounds down, Assists down, Steals down, Points down and Fouls up.

Care to revise your statement above????

No. His numbers from regular season to playoffs are virtually identical, outside of field goal percentage, which can be entirely attributed to playing tougher defenses in the playoffs.

The claim that he "didn't raise his game which prevented Portland from achieving great glory" is pretty clearly bunk. When Portland had its best teams, Wallace came up big in the playoffs. He was a monster in the 2000 and 2001 playoffs.

meru · 04-05-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot&Rolling

Please note that FG% down from .482 to .455 in playoffs, Rebounds down, Assists down, Steals down, Points down and Fouls up.

Care to revise your statement above????

Why should he? You haven't refuted it. Notice that the original poster said Sheed never raised his game, to which Minstrel responded with concrete evidence of occasions where he did, in fact, raise his game. Unless Minstrel just made **** up, Minstrel wins. Now, you have provided evidence that on average 'Sheed's numbers go down. That certainly doesn't show that he never raised his game (say, for a whole series), does it? Besides, it doesn't even show that he didn't play better in the playoffs, for a number of reasons:

1. His non-playoff stats could be inflated because of putting up bigger numbers on weak teams that didn't make the playoffs a couple of years.
2. His playoff stats are against better teams, and teams over a series, where they have a chance to devise schemes to shut him down. To the extent that he overcame that, he played well in a way that couldn't be measured in the regular season.
3. Games slow down in the playoffs. To prove his contribution declined, you would have to show not just raw points scored, but the % of his team scoring. I bet this actually goes up in the playoffs.

I'm sure there are others. Try to be a bit more thorough in your analysis before casting aspersions.

**sa1177** · 04-05-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Minstrel

Sheed has been an active member in the community, helping the underpriviledged, both in Portland and Detroit (no word on Atlanta). He's also supposedly a good and dedicated father.

IMO, that weighs more heavily in terms of his character then whether he was "sometimes polite, sometimes rude" around your friend.

Noted incorrectly. He averaged over 30 PPG in the Western Conference Finals against the Lakers in 2000 and the next year he played great defense against Shaq in the playoffs while putting up efficiency numbers that rivaled Shaq's.

My apologies but IMO...a "good person" treats everyone with respect not just his family members and friends.

I'll concede that Sheed may have raised his game at points in his playoff career but certainly not overall.

chromekilla · 04-05-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sa1177

My apologies but IMO..but a "good person" treats everyone with respect not just his family members and friends.

QFT.Great post.

**sa1177** · 04-05-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by meru

Why should he? You haven't refuted it. Notice that the original poster said Sheed never raised his game, to which Minstrel responded with concrete evidence of occasions where he did, in fact, raise his game. Unless Minstrel just made **** up, Minstrel wins. Now, you have provided evidence that on average 'Sheed's numbers go down. That certainly doesn't show that he never raised his game (say, for a whole series), does it? Besides, it doesn't even show that he didn't play better in the playoffs, for a number of reasons:

1. His non-playoff stats could be inflated because of putting up bigger numbers on weak teams that didn't make the playoffs a couple of years.
2. His playoff stats are against better teams, and teams over a series, where they have a chance to devise schemes to shut him down. To the extent that he overcame that, he played well in a way that couldn't be measured in the regular season.
3. Games slow down in the playoffs. To prove his contribution declined, you would have to show not just raw points scored, but the % of his team scoring. I bet this actually goes up in the playoffs.

I'm sure there are others. Try to be a bit more thorough in your analysis before casting aspersions.

And if you want to prove someone wrong and insult them for being so then actually prove it instead of throwing out a bunch of conjecture which might be true or might not be true. Some of the points you make may be correct but are pretty useless IMO without any statistics to back them up.

RedHot&Rolling · 04-05-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by meru

Why should he? You haven't refuted it. Notice that the original poster said Sheed never raised his game, to which Minstrel responded with concrete evidence of occasions where he did, in fact, raise his game. Unless Minstrel just made **** up, Minstrel wins. Now, you have provided evidence that on average 'Sheed's numbers go down. That certainly doesn't show that he never raised his game (say, for a whole series), does it? Besides, it doesn't even show that he didn't play better in the playoffs, for a number of reasons:

1. His non-playoff stats could be inflated because of putting up bigger numbers on weak teams that didn't make the playoffs a couple of years.
2. His playoff stats are against better teams, and teams over a series, where they have a chance to devise schemes to shut him down. To the extent that he overcame that, he played well in a way that couldn't be measured in the regular season.
3. Games slow down in the playoffs. To prove his contribution declined, you would have to show not just raw points scored, but the % of his team scoring. I bet this actually goes up in the playoffs.

I'm sure there are others. Try to be a bit more thorough in your analysis before casting aspersions.

I'm glad my contribution was helpful. I was thorough enough in my analysis to prove my point. Sheed wilted in MOST playoff games played for the Blazers. The stats don't lie.

I'm not sure how to respond by your conjecture above. I don't enjoy being talked to in this manner - but will simply wish you a good (better) day.

barfo · 04-05-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RedHot&Rolling

I'm glad my contribution was helpful. I was thorough enough in my analysis to prove my point. Sheed wilted in MOST playoff games played for the Blazers. The stats don't lie.

That's absurd. The fact that his statistics are slightly worse in playoff games than regular season games does not mean that he wilted, unless you mean Wilted, as in 'played like Wilt Chamberlain".

And you didn't prove your point at all. As meru pointed out, your point was logically incorrect. Your point as far as I can tell was that Minstrel should revise his opinion that Sheed at least once raised his game in the playoffs, because Sheed's playoff average is lower. That just doesn't make sense, unless you interpret 'never raised his game' to mean 'on average did not raise his game'. But by that logic I've never been younger than 10, since on average, I've been older than that.

barfo

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