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hasoos · 04-13-2006, 11:51 AM

All I know is that some of this thread cracks me up.

First of all we have a lot of people concerned about JO's "injury problem." In case you haven't been paying attention to recent events, Zbo hasn't been that healthy himself lately. See gimpy knee outages over the last 2 seasons. Even when he is out there, he probably doesn't put out half the effort JO does. On the other side, Jermaine injury he had was a separated shoulder, which is not a chronic issue.

Secondly, remember its not the Pacers want to get rid of him, its he no longer wants to be with the Pacers. If you remember, earlier in the year another key player to that franchise bailed because he was not happy with the situation there. Has anybody ever thought about the fact that maybe it could be other issues which make him want to leave, such as butting heads with Carslisle, or the direction management is taking the team by trading for softies like Peja Stoijakovich? Maybe its the fact he is surrounded by a bunch of softies and is sick of having to hold down the whole middle by himself. Larry Bird has always kept a very solid policy of not keeping players on the team who didn't want to be there.

Lastly, chances are that JO will be better and or equal to anybody in this years draft, and he is ready to play now, not years from now. A front line with him and Pryz would be defensively formidable as it gets, rebound like mad, and play where guys of that size are supposed to: In the paint.

Portland should take any chance to get an all star player without giving up their youthful core that they can get. They won't get many chances to do so.

ThatBlazerGuy · 04-13-2006, 12:08 PM

If we draft Morrison and then deal for JO, were outta the Oden race so I would definatley include a top 3 protected 1st rounder in 07' for JO. We need players that WANT to play here, and that would be fan favorites. Just think of the popularity boost this team would get with both Jermaine O'Neal AND Adam Morrison.

Masbee · 04-13-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mediocre man

O'Neal wants to be traded. Bird came out and said he would look into all options to improve the team. Then said that Jermaine might not be the leader he thought he would be.

Do you have a link for this?

Blazer Maven · 04-13-2006, 12:36 PM

We have enough youngsters. For JO to return I would offer:

Zach
Darius
Travis
2007 1st rounder (unprotected)

Blazers draft Morrison with the 2006 pick and go with for 2006:

Bassy/Jack
Martell
Morrison
Jermaine
Joel

This lineup gets the team back in the playoff hunt. Joel comes back after seeing where the team is now headed.

Backboard Cam · 04-13-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Talkhard

He never played very hard when he was in Portland.

Something tells me he'd get more minutes this time, and not garbage minutes.

He's not the best player in the league, but he's still great. I'm sure the Blazers are considering a lot of players, and they'd be stupid to not consider O'Neal. And if Ben Maller is right and Jermaine WANTS to come to Portland... then this seems like a no-brainer- it just depends on what Indiana wants from us.

Masbee · 04-13-2006, 12:54 PM

IF the Pacers are thinking about a possible future without Jermaine it is for several reasons:

1) The trade of Ron Artest effectively ended the current Pacers group as a contending team.

2) They don't have the (healthy) pieces to quickly vault back to the mix. Especially when you consider Peja may sign with another team and/or likely wants more money than this small market team can and should pay him. Especially when you consider that Detroit sets a bar that is so high right now.

3) Jermaine is injured a lot. They wonder if they can count on him.

4) Jermaine is not the player he seems to be. He is good, but with an on-floor plus/minus ratings that have long been subpar for a "SuperStar". His guady stats hide the fact that his team often did just as well when he was in his suit (well, when they had Artest anyway).

5) Jermaine is due to make around $20,000,000 per season for the next 4 years. Only Tracy McGrady, Kobe, Shaq, KG, and Duncan will be paid as much money the next 4 seasons.

Look at that list again.

Which name doesn't quite belong?

Jermaine is good when healthy, but he isn't Kobe good. Or Duncan good. And now is not the time for a franchise in a bad financial mess to "overpay" for talent.

I just can't fathom Jermaine EVER being seen as a good value on the contract he has.

Getting out from under the worst years of his monster deal is why Indy would look to trade him.

hasoos · 04-13-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Masbee

5) Jermaine is due to make around $20,000,000 per season for the next 4 years. Only Tracy McGrady, Kobe, Shaq, KG, and Duncan will be paid as much money the next 4 seasons.

Look at that list again.

Which name doesn't quite belong?

.

Tmac, KG and Jeramine.

Justinmoney85 · 04-13-2006, 12:58 PM

i would send zach and darius along with our 2nd 1st round pick this year for Jermaine. Then take morrison and a PF/C with our high second round pick, somebody like Justin Williams

then our depth chart would be

PG Telfair/Jack/Blake
SG Webster/Dixon
SF Morrison/Outlaw/Khryapa
PF O'Neal/Khryapa/Williams
C Phyz/Skinner

**SheedSoNasty** · 04-13-2006, 01:18 PM

Masbee's right, JO has an enormous contract and I think we'd get tired of him after a year if he was often injured and was never the leader we expect him to be. Call me crazy, but I'd rather hold off.

chromekilla · 04-13-2006, 01:37 PM

Cmon nashy boy get a trade to get jo back in town.If we can get him by trading miles,z-bo,theo dixon blake any combo do it.

**Talkhard** · 04-13-2006, 01:49 PM

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IF the Pacers are thinking about a possible future without Jermaine it is for several reasons:

1) The trade of Ron Artest effectively ended the current Pacers group as a contending team.

2) They don't have the (healthy) pieces to quickly vault back to the mix. Especially when you consider Peja may sign with another team and/or likely wants more money than this small market team can and should pay him. Especially when you consider that Detroit sets a bar that is so high right now.

3) Jermaine is injured a lot. They wonder if they can count on him.

4) Jermaine is not the player he seems to be. He is good, but with an on-floor plus/minus ratings that have long been subpar for a "SuperStar". His guady stats hide the fact that his team often did just as well when he was in his suit (well, when they had Artest anyway).

5) Jermaine is due to make around $20,000,000 per season for the next 4 years. Only Tracy McGrady, Kobe, Shaq, KG, and Duncan will be paid as much money the next 4 seasons.

Look at that list again.

Which name doesn't quite belong?

Jermaine is good when healthy, but he isn't Kobe good. Or Duncan good. And now is not the time for a franchise in a bad financial mess to "overpay" for talent.

I just can't fathom Jermaine EVER being seen as a good value on the contract he has.

Getting out from under the worst years of his monster deal is why Indy would look to trade him.

Excellent post. JO is one of those guys whose rep is better than his actual play. And at his salary, what team can afford that? I think he should go to the Knicks because everybody else on that team is living off their past press clippings and making way more money than they should. He'd fit in perfectly.

BealzeeBob · 04-13-2006, 01:53 PM

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../1088/SPORTS04

Just to add a little fuel to the fire.

Go Blazers

deanwoof · 04-13-2006, 02:00 PM

Why are you guys all so in fear of giving up draft picks to get Jermaine back? If Jermaine were to come to Portland, many of you are scared that we won't get a crack at Greg Oden. You do realize he'll be a top 2 pick and bringing in Jermaine most likely won't have the Blazers be at the bottom of the league right? So you'd be out of the Oden race anyways. Give up the 2007 1st round pick. The 2006 draft pick is a toss up. It would be an enticing piece for Indiana for them to rebuild with. We should be more than happy to have anyone trying to get Theo/Miles/Zach right now. I'd be the first one on their doorsteps helping them load their furniture in the U-Haul.

I have this feeling that if Indiana were to pull a Jermaine trade with Portland and get this year's pick, they'd use it to draft Adam Morrison and let Peja walk. That is instant rebuilding right there.

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