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adotjames · 04-13-2006, 05:00 PM

I would give up every single one of our draft picks for the next decade to get JO back. Just think how awesome it would be to have a power forward who could actually outrebound a few point guards.

Stepping Razor · 04-13-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

The problem with the Pacers will be the SF position:

They're already loaded up with a solid (Peja) and a project (Granger). That means Outlaw and Miles won't be very attractive to them: two of the pieces we have to offer.

If Portland was intent on keeping Randolph and the pick and sent them Ratliff, Indiana would have no one to start at the four save for a Pollard/Harrison/Foster platoon.

So we'd have to deal Ratliff or Miles in a 3-way to a team who needs a center but is flush with PFs/Sfs.

None are coming to mind.

Why not ship out Zach?
Why would we want to keep Zach if we're bringing in JO at his spot?

Stepping Razor

Pacers Fan · 04-13-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

The problem with the Pacers will be the SF position:

They're already loaded up with a solid (Peja) and a project (Granger). That means Outlaw and Miles won't be very attractive to them: two of the pieces we have to offer.

Peja is a free agent, and Granger is nowhere close to being a project. I'd love to have him start next year.

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I would give up every single one of our draft picks for the next decade to get JO back. Just think how awesome it would be to have a power forward who could actually outrebound a few point guards.

Sorry, Jermaine isn't a good rebounder. Terrible at boxing out, and often doesn't even try. He does get outrebounded by guards/forwards often.

**Blazer Freak** · 04-13-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacers Fan

Peja is a free agent, and Granger is nowhere close to being a project. I'd love to have him start next year.

Sorry, Jermaine isn't a good rebounder. Terrible at boxing out, and often doesn't even try. He does get outrebounded by guards/forwards often.

In your opinion, what would it take for the Blazers to get O'Neal back?

Samuel · 04-13-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stepping Razor

Why not ship out Zach?
Why would we want to keep Zach if we're bringing in JO at his spot?

Stepping Razor

Call me crazy, but Zach is 3 years younger than Jermaine and not that much worse. Remember how good Randolph was when Sheed was here?

I think that with another scoring big man, Randolph could flourish. He could be the perimeter player he's already starting to become this year.

But trading Randolph for O'Neal? Isn't that a little more redundant?

Neither shoots especially well from the field or from the line. And both have had significant injury problems in the last few years (O'Neals' being more of the nagging type).

If both are even comparable, and Zach is 3 years younger, I keep the younger of the two. If Zach gets healthy, who knows how much better he'll get.

O'Neal will turn 28 this October, and when that enormous contract ends, he'll be 31. Randolph will be entering his prime at the same time.

hasoos · 04-13-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

Call me crazy, but Zach is 3 years younger than Jermaine and not that much worse. Remember how good Randolph was when Sheed was here?

I think that with another scoring big man, Randolph could flourish. He could be the perimeter player he's already starting to become this year.

But trading Randolph for O'Neal? Isn't that a little more redundant?

Neither shoots especially well from the field or from the line. And both have had significant injury problems in the last few years (O'Neals' being more of the nagging type).

If both are even comparable, and Zach is 3 years younger, I keep the younger of the two. If Zach gets healthy, who knows how much better he'll get.

O'Neal will turn 28 this October, and when that enormous contract ends, he'll be 31. Randolph will be entering his prime at the same time.

Ok your crazy!

I'm sorry I just can't see keeping any player who is turning into the next Antoine Walker.

mediocre man · 04-13-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

Call me crazy, but Zach is 3 years younger than Jermaine and not that much worse. Remember how good Randolph was when Sheed was here?

I think that with another scoring big man, Randolph could flourish. He could be the perimeter player he's already starting to become this year.

But trading Randolph for O'Neal? Isn't that a little more redundant?

Neither shoots especially well from the field or from the line. And both have had significant injury problems in the last few years (O'Neals' being more of the nagging type).

If both are even comparable, and Zach is 3 years younger, I keep the younger of the two. If Zach gets healthy, who knows how much better he'll get.

O'Neal will turn 28 this October, and when that enormous contract ends, he'll be 31. Randolph will be entering his prime at the same time.

Crazy.

Jermaine Oneal is twice the defensive player that Zach is.

Stepping Razor · 04-13-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

Call me crazy, but Zach is 3 years younger than Jermaine and not that much worse. Remember how good Randolph was when Sheed was here?

I think that with another scoring big man, Randolph could flourish. He could be the perimeter player he's already starting to become this year.

But trading Randolph for O'Neal? Isn't that a little more redundant?

Neither shoots especially well from the field or from the line. And both have had significant injury problems in the last few years (O'Neals' being more of the nagging type).

If both are even comparable, and Zach is 3 years younger, I keep the younger of the two. If Zach gets healthy, who knows how much better he'll get.

O'Neal will turn 28 this October, and when that enormous contract ends, he'll be 31. Randolph will be entering his prime at the same time.

The only huge advantage I see for JO is that he plays D. Otherwise I agree they are pretty similar, although I do think JO is a bit better in most areas of the game. He is older, though.

But could they play together? Neither can play the 3. Could Jermaine play the 5, next to Z-Bo at the 4? Would our offense not be horribly stagnant with them both running in the post? Would we get slaughtered on D by a team with size? I'm not sure it would work.

Z-Bo at the 4 with Sheed at the 5 worked (for the 5 games freaking Mo Cheeks figured out to do it before Sheed was traded), but Sheed is bigger than JO and much better on the perimeter on offense.

Stepping Razor

**Blazer Freak** · 04-13-2006, 05:41 PM

That's why with Aldridge, Zach has someone else who the team can go to in the post. God I say this in every thread now..

cimalee · 04-13-2006, 05:44 PM

Jo and Zbo toeghter

cimalee · 04-13-2006, 05:46 PM

Jo and zbo could play toeghter , zach is a better scorer Jo is better all around , put jo at the 5 and zbo at the 4

**BBert** · 04-13-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by adotjames

I would give up every single one of our draft picks for the next decade to get JO back. Just think how awesome it would be to have a power forward who could actually outrebound a few point guards.

Ouch.

I agree that Jermaine is somewhat overrated (moreso his salary than his rep), but I'd take him for the right price (no duh!). Considering the current state of the team (ownership/finances/future), the only way the Trail Blazers can afford to bring in Jermaine is if they somehow ship out the contracts of both Theo and Zach. Since Miles has to be dealt, one way or the other, it would be nice if he were part of the (probably 3 team) trade as well. I could live with that (since we'll be drafting a big anyway

). It's the finer details of draft picks and throw-ins that will throw off the scales. I don't think we should be giving away high lotto picks on top of it.

Speaking of teams with lots of big salaries to dump, does anyone know how a New York / Indy trade might work out for both teams? Could New York get him without giving up Curry or Frye? Would they want to? If they gave up Curry, would Frye and Jermaine work together?

ThatBlazerGuy · 04-13-2006, 06:10 PM

The thing about wanting to pair Zach and JO together is, realistically, we would HAVE to give up our 06 1st rounder. I mean, their is a slight possibility that we could get JO in a Zach package that doesnt include our pick this season, but without Zach the deal gets very difficult.

But I do agree, Zach and JO would be amazing. I too feel that Zach needs another post scorer to be at his best. Remember how good he was a manuvering into the lane for those putbacks back when we had Sheed? God that combo would make me inclined to include the 06 1st rounder, granted Indiana sends us their 1st this season. But, we need a SF and by the time Indiana picks, all the 1st and even 2nd tier SF's would be gone(Gay, Adam, Andrea, Carney, probably Brewer). Maby we could deal our pick, Theo, Travis, Blake, Detroits pick for Jermaine and their own 1st rounder(16). Then send Miles to NY for Mo Taylor and Denvers 1st(21). THEN, trade 16 and 21 to get higher and take one of Adam, Gay, Carney or Andrea.

PG- Telfiar/Jack
SG- Webster/Dixon
SF- Adam, Gay, Carney or Andrea/Viktor
PF- Zach/Skinner/Viktor
C- Jermaine/Skinner

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