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Old 04-13-2006, 06:26 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Re: Jermaine wants to come back

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And we'd need a really good shooting SF and SG, and a PG who likes to pass into the paint


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I don't follow.

For my scenario to function at it's best, at least as much as it could right offt he bat, it means we need to have a SF and a SG who can hit jumpers (both webster and morrison are more likely to hit jumpers than our current SG and SF) and also a PG who likes to pass to the paint (and occasionally hit a jumper).

How is that not true of what I said?

Webster and Morrison should be the SG/SF combo, and PG could be Jack and Telfair, both of which can make passes to players in the paint as long as they aren't dunder-heads or butter fingers.
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Old 04-13-2006, 06:30 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Re: Jermaine wants to come back

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In your opinion, what would it take for the Blazers to get O'Neal back?
Honestly, I just don't see anything happening. The Blazers have some really nice youth, but I don't think the Pacers are going to trade their best player for a worse player and some projects. I'd love to get Przybilla in a sign & trade, though, but of course, not for O'Neal.
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Old 04-13-2006, 07:36 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Re: Jermaine wants to come back

Offensively, as individuals Randolph and Jermaine O'Neal are very close. But it seems if O'Neal was down there the team offense would just be more flowing. Not catching, facing do some weird pump fake and shoot a fade away.
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Old 04-13-2006, 11:38 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Re: Jermaine wants to come back

It's been a while since I threw out the suggestion of Miles + Randolph + the 2007 + the 2009 pick for Jermaine, and having followed the discussion here, I think it's still a respectable offer, and one that Indiana would have reason to like if they really wanted to deal Jermaine.

The Pacers would want a post threat to replace O'Neal, and Randolph gives them that. They'd get the 2007 pick that might give them a shot at Oden, or one of the other hot prospects projected to enter the draft next year, assuming the Blazers don't suddenly skyrocket to the playoffs in a year (I doubt it). The Blazers unload Darius Miles to a team that's a perennial playoff contender, and if that doesn't get him motivated, nothing will. But just to smooth that part, the Blazers kick in the 2009 pick... when if all goes well, Portland will back in the playoffs.

And I liked the thinking of going with a good shooter out of the draft in this case, someone like Adam Morrison.

PG: Telfair / Jack (Blake maybe)
SG: Webster / Dixon (Lenard sounds like he's bolting)
SF: Morrison / Outlaw
PF: O'Neal / Khryapa
C: Przybilla / Ratliff

That's a team that would be a whole lot better than the Blazers are now, in part, because of addition by subtraction, but also because of addition by addition with JO. O'Neal's a better defender and passer and just all-around smarter than Z-Bo. And as another poster said, he doesn't have the problem of slowing turning into Antoine Walker (or maybe not so slowly, as seems to be happening with Zach).
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Re: Jermaine wants to come back

jo get hurt a lot now i dont know if we want to go down the stale davis route giving up JO ironically for stale but now giving up a jo like player for the new stale aka JO agian?

JO is good dont get me wrong but with his injuries his isnt worth as much as he was 3 years ago, so I dont want to OVER pay for an injuried p[layer that wants out of pacerland, remember what LA got for shaq it wasnt as much as some want to give up for JO. REMEMBER this isnt the healthy JO that was in pacerland after the Stale davis trade, this is the badly dinged up several times over JO while not as bad as walton on celtics but very close. The chance that JO gets hurts is 80% every season of his MASSIVE contract sitting on the bench, is he ready to be that veteran leader that doesnt start due to injury?

How many more season and injuries does JO have left in the tank? it cant be too many anymore.
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Re: Jermaine wants to come back

Here is my dream scenario....

Theo Ratliff, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw, Detroits 1st(#30) and our 2006 1st rounder(#1) for Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana's 2006 1st rounder(#16) and a re-signed Freddie Jones

Darius Miles and Juwon Dixon for Mo Taylor, re-signed Jackie Butler and Denvers 1st(#21)

Trade #16 and #21 up to secure JJ Reddick(Im not a huge fan of his, but think that he would get numerous open looks with Zach and Jermaine in the post)

Use our own 2nd rounder on Justin Williams


PG- Sebastion Telfiar/Steve Blake/Rick Brunson(FA)
SG- JJ Reddick/Fred Jones
SF- Martell Webster/VK
PF- Zach Randolph/Brian Skinner/VK/Justin Williams
C- Jermaine O'Neal/Brian Skinner/Justin Williams/Ha
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:11 AM   #82 (permalink)
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I don't follow.

For my scenario to function at it's best, at least as much as it could right offt he bat, it means we need to have a SF and a SG who can hit jumpers (both webster and morrison are more likely to hit jumpers than our current SG and SF) and also a PG who likes to pass to the paint (and occasionally hit a jumper).

How is that not true of what I said?

Webster and Morrison should be the SG/SF combo, and PG could be Jack and Telfair, both of which can make passes to players in the paint as long as they aren't dunder-heads or butter fingers.


Sorry I missed that. I was thinking you meant a SF that can pass into the middle
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Here is my dream scenario....

Theo Ratliff, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw, Detroits 1st(#30) and our 2006 1st rounder(#1) for Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana's 2006 1st rounder(#16) and a re-signed Freddie Jones

Darius Miles and Juwon Dixon for Mo Taylor, re-signed Jackie Butler and Denvers 1st(#21)

Trade #16 and #21 up to secure JJ Reddick(Im not a huge fan of his, but think that he would get numerous open looks with Zach and Jermaine in the post)

Use our own 2nd rounder on Justin Williams


PG- Sebastion Telfiar/Steve Blake/Rick Brunson(FA)
SG- JJ Reddick/Fred Jones
SF- Martell Webster/VK
PF- Zach Randolph/Brian Skinner/VK/Justin Williams
C- Jermaine O'Neal/Brian Skinner/Justin Williams/Ha
Sounds like a nightmare to me. Brunson? Reddick? Give me a break.
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:12 AM   #85 (permalink)
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Here is my dream scenario....

Theo Ratliff, Jarrett Jack, Travis Outlaw, Detroits 1st(#30) and our 2006 1st rounder(#1) for Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana's 2006 1st rounder(#16) and a re-signed Freddie Jones

Darius Miles and Juwon Dixon for Mo Taylor, re-signed Jackie Butler and Denvers 1st(#21)

Trade #16 and #21 up to secure JJ Reddick(Im not a huge fan of his, but think that he would get numerous open looks with Zach and Jermaine in the post)

Use our own 2nd rounder on Justin Williams


PG- Sebastion Telfiar/Steve Blake/Rick Brunson(FA)
SG- JJ Reddick/Fred Jones
SF- Martell Webster/VK
PF- Zach Randolph/Brian Skinner/VK/Justin Williams
C- Jermaine O'Neal/Brian Skinner/Justin Williams/Ha

guh..
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J.J. Redick as our starter!....


thats a good one...
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J.J. Redick as our starter!....


thats a good one...
Yeah, don't we already have a rookie shooting guard?
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You may try to work something like Theo+Zach+Detroit pick for JO and a resigned Pollard to backup Przybilla (course, if your team resign him)...
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