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deanwoof · 04-14-2006, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PaCeRhOLiC

LMAO at this thread...

Obviously Bird is going to blow the team up with everybody but Granger available. So why can't we dream for JO?

ThePrideOfClyde · 04-15-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deanwoof

Obviously Bird is going to blow the team up with everybody but Granger available. So why can't we dream for JO?

If he had any common sense whatsoever, then the reason for his LMAO'ing this thread was due to the sheer stupidity of anyone in their right mind wanting JO back in portland. Were on the right track here, folks. Let's not derail the train just yet, huh?

hasoos · 04-15-2006, 02:42 PM

You have to be on the rail before you derail.

chromekilla · 04-15-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Public Defender

It's been a while since I threw out the suggestion of Miles + Randolph + the 2007 + the 2009 pick for Jermaine, and having followed the discussion here, I think it's still a respectable offer, and one that Indiana would have reason to like if they really wanted to deal Jermaine.

The Pacers would want a post threat to replace O'Neal, and Randolph gives them that. They'd get the 2007 pick that might give them a shot at Oden, or one of the other hot prospects projected to enter the draft next year, assuming the Blazers don't suddenly skyrocket to the playoffs in a year (I doubt it). The Blazers unload Darius Miles to a team that's a perennial playoff contender, and if that doesn't get him motivated, nothing will. But just to smooth that part, the Blazers kick in the 2009 pick... when if all goes well, Portland will back in the playoffs.

And I liked the thinking of going with a good shooter out of the draft in this case, someone like Adam Morrison.

PG: Telfair / Jack (Blake maybe)
SG: Webster / Dixon (Lenard sounds like he's bolting)
SF: Morrison / Outlaw
PF: O'Neal / Khryapa
C: Przybilla / Ratliff

That's a team that would be a whole lot better than the Blazers are now, in part, because of addition by subtraction, but also because of addition by addition with JO. O'Neal's a better defender and passer and just all-around smarter than Z-Bo. And as another poster said, he doesn't have the problem of slowing turning into Antoine Walker (or maybe not so slowly, as seems to be happening with Zach).

That trade is heavily favored in the pacers direction

Chan · 04-15-2006, 03:57 PM

Where does it explicity say JO wants to come back?

**Trader Ed** · 04-19-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fork

I wouldn't give up the 2007 pick for anything.

I suspect we'll still be a lotto team, even if we're a late lotto team. Even a 1% chance at Greg Oden (or Kevin Durant or Thaddeus Young) is a chance you HAVE to keep.

How about this: (not my idea, it's cribbed from another website)

Zach, Miles, Blake plus our number one pick in 2006 for Jermaine, Danny Granger and their #1 pick (mid first round)

That actually seems decent to me.

Substitute Juan Dixon for Blake, so we can keep Blake...
Maybe get back Fred Jones instead of Granger.. but am fine with Granger too

leave out the picks and throw cash at them

chromekilla · 04-19-2006, 03:27 PM

I would trade the 2007 pick in any trade that brought in kg,dwight howard,or chris bosh.

ThatBlazerGuy · 04-23-2006, 01:33 PM

To anyone that says JO doesnt play with heart, go watch the Indiana-NJ game.

Utherhimo · 04-23-2006, 02:12 PM

when and where? plus i guess JO doesnt want to come back to play for the blazers but after his retirment

**Minstrel** · 04-23-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

Neither shoots especially well from the field or from the line. And both have had significant injury problems in the last few years (O'Neals' being more of the nagging type).

If both are even comparable, and Zach is 3 years younger, I keep the younger of the two.

I don't believe that they're very close in ability. O'Neal is definitely the more efficient scorer. O'Neal has a 1.06 PPS vs. 0.96 PPS for Randolph (PPS stands for points per shot, and it's a better measure of scoring efficiency than FG% as it gives three-pointers more weight and credit to drawing and making free throws). O'Neal is a better passer and rebounder and a far, far better defender. O'Neal is a big reason why Indiana has been a very good defensive team that last few seasons. He's a good individual defender and an excellent team defender.

Basically, there's no aspect of the game that I don't see O'Neal having an advantage in and, on defense, that advantage is vast. Randolph's only advantage is his youth, but it's only a three-year difference and it doesn't trump being the significantly worse player.

If Portland could turn any of their assets, outside of Telfair, Webster and their 2007 pick, into O'Neal, I'd be all for it.

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