Cinco de Mayo

Well, he'd just be taking mediocre over raw. Nate preferring Kryhapa doesn't change my opinion in the matter.

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HKF

Should just move Outlaw to the Bobcats in the offseason.

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iverson101

yes, please. the Trailblazers don't exactly have a great record developing youngsters. similar to the hawks, I suspect there are a number of guys that would at least semi-breakout if they were to be moved to a real franchise.

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Malnutritious

You either have it or you don't. A couple years in college will most likely show NBA GM's that he doesn't have it. This would have caused him to be picked lower posibbly in the second round. Thus freeing up salary or even a roster position. On top of that it would have kept him out of the league for a couple of years, so he doesn't waste our time developing at the games expense.

Better for the NBA and it's fans.

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Blazer Maven

Travis is far from the worst player on this team, that would be Ha.

Travis needs to play to his strengths. Unfortunately, what he wants to do is work on his 3 point shot. What he needs to to is hit the weights and work on a post-up game.

The kid is 6'9" with a 40+ vertical and 7'4" wingspan! Unfortunately he has "slow feet" which hurts him with defense on the perimeter. If he can develop some post up moved and a jump hook, he could be a devastating offensive player, mixing in his jump shot when needed to stretch the defense.

He can already block shots inside and out, but is rarely in a position on defense to make a steal and go the length of the floor (back to the slow feet). He can fly once he gets a head of steam going, but is not "quick". He has a V8 motor in a turbo charged 4 cylinder game.

If he can redefine himself, he will be successful, but he needs to get away from being a perimeter player and needs to go inside/out like KG.

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Kmurph

Fans of other teams coming in and commenting on how POR players suck is pretty funny to me...POR has accomplished more as a franchise than several other franchises have accomplished COMBINED...SO please tell em again, why this franchise is worse that the CHA\MEM\ATL of the world...I'd love to hear it....

Khryapa does not suck...far from it, and if any of you actually watched a POR game you would know that...

Now is he starter material? I don't think he is....He is and will be a very good bench player though, he does a lot of little things that most players don't want to do...Plays good defense, is a good passer\rebounder, sets good screens, and is not a total offensive liability out there (he can drive and score and he can make an outside shot)...and the coach never has to worry about him NOT knowing the plays call either...

Outlaw is another story, he has great athleticism but does not have the IQ or temperment to take advantage of it...I agree, there is a sucker born every minute and there are plenty of suitable NBA suckers who would take a leap at this kid, and if I were POR mgmt I would take advantage of that fact and peddle him....His level of play will NEVER...let me repeat that...NEVER come close to matching his athleticism....but let some other team find that out for themselves....

Again, I have to question whether several of you have even watched Outlaw play more than once or twice....The guy after 3yrs in the league is STILL clueless out there...all he does revolves around his athleticism...and if I had a $1 for every time I saw Outlaw get instructed by a teamate of where he SHOULD be or every time he lost his man on defense, or screwed up an offensive play b\c he was out of postion, I'd be vacationing for free in Hawaii right now... :grin:


And worst player in the NBA?

Please....

You were joking, right?

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Backboard Cam

Outlaw has more missed dunks than any player I can think of. He still looks scared when he gets the ball, like Martell did at the beginning of the season. Martell got over that quick.

I haven't given up on Outlaw, but I'm close. If I was GM and someone offered me something good for him, I'd take it- potential be damned.

Khryapa... I need another year to make up my mind about him.

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Vicktor is not a bad player, he's just backup material. I'd be compeltely satisfied with him as a backup SF. He doesn't force his game, he's intelligent, passes, defends, handles the ball well and can score within the offense.

ThePrideOfClyde

Naysayers suck.

With that said, does anybody remember how long we had Jermaine O'Neal before we shipped his "will never amount to anything special" *** outta town? That's right, 4 years. Now, how many years have we had Outlaw? yes, 3 years. So, I'm willing to give him even another year of developing before I lose hope. Because, that would really suck to see him become a superstar on another team.

BBert

I agree with Blazer Maven and ThePrideofClyde.

First off, it is still my opinion that Travis was very young for his age when he came into the league, if you know what I mean. I'm talking about a very tall 15 year old, 17 year old with amazing jumping ability.

My only knock on Travis is that he is such an amazingly nice guy that he may not be enough of an aggressive, egomaniac killer instinct guy to ever be a star. But he can still be corrupted, I think, at least enough to be an effective player for a long time. (If he weren't a good natured soul, all the other players wouldn't be picking on him as described in another thread.)

He's a late bloomer. He needs more time and training to reach his potential. I doubt he'll ever be a star, but he can still be good with the right training. I've just about given up on him being a great SF because of his BIG FEET (and forget about the SG pipedream some people had last year). He can't move his feet quickly enough. But if he muscles up he could swing between PF and SF depending on matchups and really be a nighmare for other teams.

Also, in the last two games he's shown what Rice has been preaching all season. If he goes bananas and gets aggressive and hits the glass, he can make a niche for himself as a very valuable rebounder and hustle guy -- and the team could really use that. I could see him averaging double digit rebounds once he gets his game together, ala as described by Blazer Maven above.

I want to see him hit the weights with Medina and work on an inside game. In two years his physique and his game could change considerably.

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Verro

They just need to transplant Khryapa's brain into Outlaw's body, then we'd really have something.

ballinblazers33

Does any remember a guy named Detlef Schrempf? Or how many 6th man of the year awards he racked up in his career? I see Khrayapa as a Detlef type player. Not a perennial all star, but a guy who definitely knows his niche and plays within his abilities. Solid defender, scores when he needs to, and an excellent team player.

As for Outlaw, i'm still deciding on him. I think he is great at times, but i think i tend to agree that he has go to hit the weights. If he could put 30lbs on him he'd be a force to be reckoned with if he could also keep that vert above 40". This is the first year he has gotten any real PT so it is basically his rookie season to me. It takes a special player to blossom as a rookie, so i'm willing to let this experiment go another 2 years before we take a flyer on him.

BrooklynBaller

Are you referring to me zags? I've watched almost every Blazer game available for the past 12 years, so don't tell me that I'm not a Blazer fan. How many games have you watched? Honestly, I usually don't watch the Blazer broadcast but the broadcast of Portland's opponent. Why, you ask? Because it gives me insight into how others view the Blazers.

And, you know what? The other teams announcers almost always wonder why KHRYAPA (not Outlaw) is on the floor so much. His defense is garbage and overrated by posters like you. He has ONE good defensive game against Kobe a year ago, and people jump on the KHRYAPA IS A DEFENSIVE JUGGERNAUT bandwagon. Watch Khryapa closely next game. His man will blow by him without any sort of resistance. His feet are slow and, honestly, I don't know what makes you think he has a high basketball IQ? The one thing I will say is that Khryapa plays hard - but so does Travis. Give Travis Khryapa-type minutes and you will see that Travis' production will be far superior in comparison.

You think Khryapa is a career 6th man ... I see him as a fringe NBA player and benchwarmer at best, The only reason he gets so many minutes is because the Blazers are so ridiculously bad this ye