crandc

Oh man, you think the Snoregonian is bad? It is, but ...
Last night during the game broadcast the stupid Warriors announcers for the 15086509286th time dragged out the 1984 draft of Sam Bowie. Considering that many of today's NBA players were not even alive in 1984, could anything be more irrelevant? What has it to do with the current state of the franchise?
And like my mama used to say, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. I will give credit that under Chris Mullin the Warriors have drafted better, but in the past they were renowned as one of the worst drafting teams EVER. They traded Robert Parrish and the rights to Kevin McHale plus the pick that became Larry Bird for Joe Barry Carroll. More recently, they had the #1 pick in 1995 and selected Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett. In 1999 they preferred Vonteego Cummings to Andrei Kirilenko. In 1996 the draft yielded STeve Nash, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neal, Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, Stephon Marbury, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, RAy Allen, Peja Stoyakovic, Antoine Walker, Derek Fisher among others; the Warriors picked Todd Fuller.
At least the broadcasters did say the Blazers could be very good in 5 years. Meanwhile, today's SF Chronicle, 2/3 of the story was not on the game but on how terrible things are for the Blazers. The article and headline said the Blazers make things look not so bad for the Warriors. With one tiny detail: The Blazers expected to struggle this year. The Warriors expected to be a 4 - 6 playoff seed. They will instead be in the lottery for a record 13th consecutive year.

Yoyo

Why are you so angry at the Warriors that you need to bash them? I'm curious.

Also, the Warriors being expected to a 4-6 seed surprises me. Especially the upper end of that range...was that a prediction by Blazers fans? No Warrior fan, as far as I've known, has ever been THAT optimistic.

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UCLA Basketball 2006-2007 (5-0): Wins vs. BYU, UCR, CSF, Arizona, Oregon

UCLA Basketball 2007-2008 (5-2): Wins vs. Portland State, Yale, George Washington, Oregon State, and Cal, Losses at USC vs. Texas

UCLA Football 2006 (4-1): Wins vs. Stanford, Arizona, Oregon St, and USC, Loss to Washington St

UCLA Football 2007 (3-2): Wins vs. UW, Cal, and Oregon, Losses vs. WSU and ASU

Backboard Cam

Jordan was huge.

No matter how big Kobe gets, if he breaks every record and wins three more championships, he won't ever be as big as Jordan was. It was something about the timing. LeBron & Carmelo, Martell... they want to be huge stars and have rings, but the way MJ captivated the world is unrepeatable in basketball.

Still, Sam Bowie and Craig Ehlo should just be happy they had the opportunity.


People who bring up Bowie/Jordan all the time as a serious knock on the Blazers just don't have anything smarter to say. It can be a "yeah, well your team picked Bowie" ribbing, but the playoff appearances streak and even the one championship are decent comebacks. Especially if someone from SF is talking- we won more recently than they did.

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RPCity

I think she lives in the Bay area. Its more of a bashing of the media down there than anything else.

And as far as the expectations.....after they finished SO strong last year with the addition of Baron Davis, I know a lot of people ahd the Warriors penciled in as a playoff team. Heck....wasn't their ticket slogan this year "If you liked how last year ended, be there from the beginning this year"? Or something like that.....it seems to imply a lot of success (granted its designed to sell tickets...but still)

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Yoyo

Well, a 4th seed is a stretch. Even the most optimistic of us only hoped for a 6th seed.

I agree that the Warriors have been a disappointment this year, though.

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Me at UCLA games:

UCLA Basketball 2006-2007 (5-0): Wins vs. BYU, UCR, CSF, Arizona, Oregon

UCLA Basketball 2007-2008 (5-2): Wins vs. Portland State, Yale, George Washington, Oregon State, and Cal, Losses at USC vs. Texas

UCLA Football 2006 (4-1): Wins vs. Stanford, Arizona, Oregon St, and USC, Loss to Washington St

UCLA Football 2007 (3-2): Wins vs. UW, Cal, and Oregon, Losses vs. WSU and ASU

Samuel

Baron Davis got hurt, Mike Dunleavy got hurt, and Derek Fisher proved unworthy at the starting PG position.

I was hoping they were going to slide into the playoffs at around 8, but no dice.

Hopefully they'll draft a PG this draft to help themselves out a little bit when Davis inevidably goes down again.

pac4eva5

what does this have to do with the bay area media? stupid thread...

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crandc

It is true the thread was about the media, not the Warriors. I brought up points about the Warriors to point out that
1) if you want to talk about 20 year old drafts, the Warriors also have a big skeleton in the closet, not to mention more recent drafts. So to knock Portland for an admitted mistake 22 years ago when posing as a spokesperson for a team that has made a lot more is at least hypcritical.
2) I did hear 4-6 seed, not from Blazer fans, not even from Warrior fans, but from local media here in the Bay Area as well as some national media. Most did see #4 as a stretch, but with Stoudemire being hurt it was thought Phoenix would not be able to repeat as division champs (wrong), and many thought Dallas was on the decline. No one anticipated the Clippers season. So that left the Spurs as the "sure thing" in the west and a lot of questions. At any rate, the Blazers GM and coach both said that Portland would have a tough year and predicted 20-25 wins. The Warriors all said they were playoff bound. So who is more disappointing? A team that expected to be bad and was or a team that expected to be good and was bad? Remember, the point of the article was how much worse off the Blazers are than the Warriors.
3) The article in the Chronicle detailed every run-in any player had with Nate McMillan. It was not factually wrong, but it conveniently ignored the fact that the players thought of as the future are solidly behind the coach, as is management. It ignored the fact that Sebastian Telfair said Portland is the best place for him to be, largely because of the coach. And since the point of the article was to say how much worse off Portland was than Golden State, to ignore the fact that many of the Warriors have been publicly very critical to Coach Mike Montgomery is hypocritical.

But then, what should I expect of anyone who prefaces a statement with, "According to the Oregonian..."

Foulzilla

Are you serious? Did you read the first post in the thread? Or do you somehow think the announcers aren't part of the media?

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Minstrel

Also, Adonal Foyle over Tracy McGrady.

Warriors management back then (Dave Twardzik/Gary St. Jean) were completely unable to take risk, so they ended making absurdly bad picks in trying to be "safe." They had golden opportunities in the great prep-to-pro era and whiffed each time.

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crandc

Right, the Warriors had a policy of not drafting Euros or prep. At least Mullin has drafted a lot better.

bruindre

Sticking to the subject on the title of this thread, the funny thing is I always thought the Warriors announcers were among the better in the NBA. Granted, I'm severly bias, but you put these guys up to clowns they have in New Jersey or Los Angeles (Lakers, that is--I actually like Ralph Lawler w/ the Clips).

Jim Barnett has been a solid color guy for years. Bob Fitzgerald has steadily become a good play-by-play guy. Now, if the producers of the broadcast are telling these guys to bring up the Sam Bowie draft again, then I'd hear your problem about their broadcast...if that was the only thing they talked about all game. I happened to have the game on, but w/ no volume, so I don't know what was said. Was it 48 minutes of Sam Bowie? I'm willing to bet not.

Perhaps some Blazers fans are still a little too sensitive about the subject.

crandc

Of course it was not 48 minutes of Sam Bowie. But I strongly doubt the producers told them to bring up a 22 year old draft. I think you'd be singing a different tune if, every game the Warriors played, someone dragged out Joe Barry Carroll. You might say, with justification, what has that to do with 2006?
And it is pointless. Jordan was a great player but he is long retired and is not helping any team now.
BTW, the same Chronicle writer the previous day said the Suns are locked into the #3 playoff seed. It is #2. I mean, can't these people do their homework?

bruindre

I have nothing good (or bad) to say about the Chronicle--I'm living in SoCal, so I'm stuck w/ the b.s. papers here.

I felt compelled to stick up for the broadcast team, however, bias aside. I have the NBA League Pass, and truly believe the Warriors broadcast team is one of the better in the NBA.

I'm sure a number of our opponents' broadcast teams bring up Joe Barely Can. I'm sure they bring up the fact we traded Parish away AND the draft pick that ultimately became Kevin McHale (as they must EVERY time we play the Celtics). I'm sure a number of teams bring up Sprewell choking P.J., Nellie and C-Webb's blow out. I don't cry about it every time I hear it--it's (unfortunately) a pa