Ed O

What defensive stats? Do people rely on defensive stats very much to determine a good college defender?

A primary reason that college stats are skewed is because the three point line is closer, so it's therefore easier to make three pointers in college than it is in the pros.

I don't think there's an equivalent difference for defensive players.

Ed O.

Dan

seriously, if you're going to bring up steve kerr, please note that ALL that Steve Kerr did was shoot 3's...

I believe a lot of peoople are mistaking Korver for anything but a decent 3 point shooter. dude doesn't ahve many offensive moves outside of 3 opoint shooting.

There's a reason why Morrison averaged almost 30 ppg, and Steve Kerr and Kyle Korver didn't ni college.

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How do you figure that?

Aldridge: 9.2 rebounds in 37 minutes per game.

Thomas: 9.2 rebounds in 26 minutes per game.

Thomas is a much better rebounder.

Aldridge is better on offense? True, Thomas isn't the shooter that Aldridge is. But even with his limited game, he dropped 12.3 ppg, to Aldridge's 15.0. Per 40 minutes, that's 18.9 for Thomas to 16.2 for Aldridge. Who's offense is limited again?

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Dan

college players are generally smaller and weaker than pro players. So it's easier for a guy who's 6'10" to block shots, etc...just as it's easier for a guy who's 6'8" to create his own shots. I don't see how one WILL translate and one WON'T.

thats all

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I think that it comes down to length, athleticism, and quickness. Good college defenders almost always have these attributes, and good college scorers don't necessarily need them.

But without those attributes, players have a very, very difficult time of being successful like they were in college.

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Schilly

Ahh well you have provided as much proof that Morrison is a deep threat as I have that he isn't as much of one as people claim. My Point as I showed with stats dug up is that he isn't on the same level as guys who are considered very good 3 point shooters in the NBA, by comparing their College numbers which is the only valid thing to compare.

What I am trying to also indicate , as I keep hearing, is Morrison shouldn't be considered a deadeye.

Now I will also point out that I didn't say Aldridge was a better player I said I consider them equal prospects, and I think Portland has a bigger need inside where they got destroyed on the boards. On the other hand they were right in the middle...average in the NBA for outside scoring.

Dan

i think the biggest difference is that you don't think that the PF spot can be handled by Brian, Viktor and maybe a 2nd pick, and I do (or whoever they trade darius/zach for)..

and I don't think that the SF spot can be handled by Outlaw and Viktor, and you do. To me, the defieciencies in the SF spot is much worse than that of the PF spot. Especially when you consider it's easier to get a decent PF in the draft (maybe not offensively) than it is to get a reliable and good outside shooting SF in the draft or...currently on the team.

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No I think the difference is I thionk the 3 can be manned by Travis and Viktor, better than the 4 can be manned by Skinner and Viktor, the reason being Travis and Viktor are both still improving as players. While Skinner is not great period, he's a solid backup, but no less solid than either Travis or Zach. THe other thing is SF's are a lot easier to come by via trade than a PF is.

Dan

um...you do realize thats basically what I just said, right?

how many really good shooting SF's are available via trade, vs a solid PF (who doesn't need to be a scoring option, and just plays smart and hard)?

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I think that Joel is gone, and that leaves Theo, Skinner, and Ha to play center. Which means it leaves Skinner to play center.

Hopefully Zach can stick around and be motivated, but even if he does, we have no legit backup 4 since Skinner's going to have to man the middle so much.

I don't think that Viktor will be able to play the 4 at an acceptable level for any significant number of minutes. He's too small. That he's been playing the 4 lately is more an indication of the sorry state of our team, IMO, than in where he'll end up long-term.

As for filling in the rest of the roster: I haven't done any exhaustive study or anything, but common sense indicates that finding a 6'6" to 6'8" to fill in at a swing position in the rotation should be much easier than finding 6'9" to 6'11" big men. Big men are simply less common.

Ed O.

Schilly

Part of the problem I see is the game needs to be an inside and outside game....If our inside is Skinner and Theo....or offensively even Skinner and Joel, and worse yet, Skinner and Ha.

Dan

and our outside game would be telfair (not consistent yet) webster (same) and jack (far from it).

and im not sure if the inside presense you're advocating will provide as much of an inside-outside game as you think it will, because once martell goes out of the game, the defenses can just collapse on the inside guys, no matter WHO it is.

especially if you take into account the fact that noah, aldridge and/or thomas are all raw offensively (read: not polished) and will struggle to get their shots off in the NBA (as much as, if not more than, Morrison)

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Schilly

Let's split the difference and just draft Bargnani