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Old 04-27-2006, 08:40 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Re: Bargnani = Euro League Rising Star

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and what makes you think that Morrison's shot is more blockable than any other SF prospect that has entered the draft?...
I didn't say it was. I was contrasting him to Bargnani, since Hap asked what difference four inches makes. Morrison doesn't have the size or athleticism that Bargnani does, so he's not likely to burn perimeter defenders off the dribble or be able to shoot over tough defense any better than most small forwards. Bargnani, with an extra four inches, likely will be able to.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:41 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Re: Bargnani = Euro League Rising Star

I cant prove it, im just judging the fact that Andrea is putting up similar numbers this year that Adam put up his junior year, and against much better compititon. Therefore, I came to a hypothesis that Adam would not be as good.
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huh?
He's saying that's obvious. Projecting prospects is all conjecture, for fans.
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:52 PM   #139 (permalink)
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I cant prove it, im just judging the fact that Andrea is putting up similar numbers this year that Adam put up his junior year, and against much better compititon. Therefore, I came to a hypothesis that Adam would not be as good.
Morrison averaged 19 and 5 and half rebounds his junior year, Bargnani is averaging 10.6 ppg and 3 rebounds a game...

I wouldn't say they're too similar number-wise.
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Old 04-27-2006, 11:27 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Show me 1 time, just 1 time where I have said I thought people were racist if they didn't think Morrison was the best prospect in the draft...
Still waiting...
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Old 04-28-2006, 04:40 AM   #141 (permalink)
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Still waiting...
O RLY? You might want to check post #'s 83 (Smile "showing you" that you'd said it) and 84 (you acknowledging the fact that he "showed" you where you'd said it)--as well as #'s 85 and 86, while you're at it.

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Old 04-28-2006, 05:32 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Re: Bargnani = Euro League Rising Star

Just some notes about Euroleague and the top european leagues (Italy, Spain, Greece, Russia)

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here played european players which were and are even stars in NBA (Gasol, Stojakovic, Okur, Kirilenko, Ginobili, Sabonis etc)

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we have here good or very good american players, which for several reasons can't fit very well in NBA (little undersized or other things) or or which could also play well with one chance in the right team; Anthony Parker, Maceo Baston, Alphonso Ford (r.i.p.), Charles Smith, Antonio Granger etc

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we had even former NBA players which simply "su*ked" like Cal Bowdler, Rusty LaRue, Michael Olowokandi, Melvin Sanders, Anthony Goldwire etc (if those played and play in NBA, Bargnani will literally eat the league .......)

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in the top euroleagues played and play also some very good NBA players, and above all in the past even some stars: Dominique Wilkins, Bob McAdoo, George Gervin, Michael Cooper, Abur-Rauf, Spud Webb, Joe Barry Carrol, Brad Miller, Joe "Jellybean" Bryant, Michael Ray Richardson are the first to come in my mind.

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Some actual euro guys which play quite well in NBA (Zaza Pachulia, Primoz Brezec etc) here were almost scrubs ...
How the *** can Brezec post 16/8 almost every night ? Jeez ...


Just one thing about Charles Smith: probably the Blazers weren't the right system of play for him, because he's very good and in fact when he played for the Spurs back in 2001 he was the 6th man !
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Old 04-28-2006, 06:08 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Re: Bargnani = Euro League Rising Star

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Morrison averaged 19 and 5 and half rebounds his junior year, Bargnani is averaging 10.6 ppg and 3 rebounds a game...

I wouldn't say they're too similar number-wise.
Adam Morrison stats:

19.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg in 34.2 mpg

Andrea Bargnani stats:

Euroleague - 10.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg in 21 mpg
Italian league - 11.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg in 21.7 mpg

PT is different so we have to look at the stats per 40 minutes (both NCAA and Euro Leagues have that PT):

Adam Morrisom stats per 40 minutes:

22.2 ppg and 6.4 rpg

Andrea Bargnani stats per 40 minutes:

Euroleague - 20.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg
Italian league - 21.4 ppg and 10.1 rpg

Above all we have to consider Andrea is just the 3rd offensive option of Benetton Treviso (sometimes the 2nd) while Adam was the 1st offensive option of Gonzaga University...

In the end stats don't lie...
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Re: Bargnani = Euro League Rising Star

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Adam Morrison stats:

19.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg in 34.2 mpg

Andrea Bargnani stats:

Euroleague - 10.9 ppg, 4.1 rpg in 21 mpg
Italian league - 11.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg in 21.7 mpg

PT is different so we have to look at the stats per 40 minutes (both NCAA and Euro Leagues have that PT):

Adam Morrisom stats per 40 minutes:

22.2 ppg and 6.4 rpg

Andrea Bargnani stats per 40 minutes:

Euroleague - 20.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg
Italian league - 21.4 ppg and 10.1 rpg

Above all we have to consider Andrea is just the 3rd offensive option of Benetton Treviso (sometimes the 2nd) while Adam was the 1st offensive option of Gonzaga University...

In the end stats don't lie...
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:17 AM   #145 (permalink)
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yeah bargnani would be very nice for the blazers
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:43 AM   #146 (permalink)
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Adam Morrisom stats per 40 minutes:

22.2 ppg and 6.4 rpg

Andrea Bargnani stats per 40 minutes:

Euroleague - 20.8 ppg and 7.8 rpg
Italian league - 21.4 ppg and 10.1 rpg

Above all we have to consider Andrea is just the 3rd offensive option of Benetton Treviso (sometimes the 2nd) while Adam was the 1st offensive option of Gonzaga University...

In the end stats don't lie...
Good work Toxicity. There is no guarantee that Bargnani would actually get those numbers if he had 40 minutes, but it is certainly a more accurate comparison. I still think Morrison is/will be a better scorer than Bargnani, but Bargnani has other things to contribute that I like. Bargnani and Zach would fit well together on the front line, at least for limited minutes. I'm still not quite sure what position Bargnani will play, given he has elements of 3-5 in his game.
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:50 AM   #147 (permalink)
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Good work Toxicity. There is no guarantee that Bargnani would actually get those numbers if he had 40 minutes, but it is certainly a more accurate comparison. I still think Morrison is/will be a better scorer than Bargnani, but Bargnani has other things to contribute that I like. Bargnani and Zach would fit well together on the front line, at least for limited minutes. I'm still not quite sure what position Bargnani will play, given he has elements of 3-5 in his game.
Hope fully zach wont be here.Can someone give me his stats for this season i know they were posted but i want to see for my self.From the page i just looked at he didnt impress me and i wanted to see if those stats i say were wrong or compared on a differnt minute scale.
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People who [criticize Morrison] have some kind of subconscious bigotry going on in there mind....(he is white, therefore he has no upside)....LAME....
Done waiting now?
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