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Utherhimo · 04-25-2006, 03:36 PM

he was a guard before he grew he was trained as a guard

Reep · 04-25-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

Bargnani Google Video

Granted, it's only a few seconds, but it does show a little of what this guy is capable of doing.

BNM

Thanks for the link. I saw some other film recently, but it just showed him hitting threes and slashing for layups. It's nice to see him take it strong to the hoop too.

**Dan** · 04-25-2006, 04:31 PM

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Could also mean that they play a much more balanced team oriented game... that's what I would bet on, but I don't follow the league or anything.

still seems like a bit of a cop out there. He doesn't score much, because it's 'team orientated'..but he's the best young guy in the 2nd best league in the world!!!!!!!111!

well, that would seem to me that they're not as good as the NBA is (obviously) and that even in a "team orientated" system, he's not THAT great.

**Dan** · 04-25-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

Bargnani Google Video

Granted, it's only a few seconds, but it does show a little of what this guy is capable of doing.

BNM

I'm not sure we want to be overly giddy about someone, based on video clips. Just as Morrison (or gay, or aldridge) can have spectacular highlights videos, they can also have videos made up of them crapping it out.

video highlights are always tainted towards over emphasizing the good, and diminishing the bad.

Boob-No-More · 04-25-2006, 04:42 PM

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I'm not sure we want to be overly giddy about someone, based on video clips. Just as Morrison (or gay, or aldridge) can have spectacular highlights videos, they can also have videos made up of them crapping it out.

video highlights are always tainted towards over emphasizing the good, and diminishing the bad.

Yup, that's why they're called HIGHlights and not LOWlights. It's more important to observe HOW they do something than WHAT they are doing. From the video, it's fairly obvious that Bargnani has a quicker than average first step for a big man. But, that alone doesn't make a good NBA player. Someboy asked for video of the guy. So, I posted what I could find.

I'll leave the overall evaluation of his talent and potential to Pritchard and the scouts. They've seen a lot more of him, and will see a lot more in the next two months, than anything you'll find online.

BNM

**Scout226** · 04-25-2006, 04:50 PM

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still seems like a bit of a cop out there. He doesn't score much, because it's 'team orientated'..but he's the best young guy in the 2nd best league in the world!!!!!!!111!

well, that would seem to me that they're not as good as the NBA is (obviously) and that even in a "team orientated" system, he's not THAT great.

I'm not up on the College game to much, and I'm definitely lost on the Euro game, but does anyone know how Bargnani matched up stat wise with Dirk/Pau at the same age? I guess that's a decent way to compare. Still, there is a lot of intangibles to figuring out if he's the next Dirk or Pau..

**Schilly** · 04-25-2006, 04:55 PM

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well, that would seem to me that they're not as good as the NBA is (obviously) and that even in a "team orientated" system, he's not THAT great.

How do ya figure? If you consider that the leagues leading scorer only averaged 18ppg. Hmm so at 10ppg that's only 8ppg off of the leading scorer, his teammate BTW. By comparison the NBA's leading scorer scored about 35ppg.

Now let's open our minds a little to different lengths of games...and different strategy. The euro game is 40 minutes compared to 48. Balanced fundamental basketball.

Example
Benetton Vs Treviso
Final Score 83-57
Ben. had 1 player with 17, 2 players with 16, 1 with 11, and 1 with 10
5 players 70 points

Utherhimo · 04-25-2006, 05:01 PM

i heard that he is doing better in a better league than both dirk and pau at his age

**Dan** · 04-25-2006, 05:02 PM

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How do ya figure? If you consider that the leagues leading scorer only averaged 18ppg. Hmm so at 10ppg that's only 8ppg off of the leading scorer, his teammate BTW. By comparison the NBA's leading scorer scored about 35ppg.

Now let's open our minds a little to different lengths of games...and different strategy. The euro game is 40 minutes compared to 48. Balanced fundamental basketball.

because 35 ppg vs 18 ppg = A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

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Example
Benetton Vs Treviso
Final Score 83-57
Ben. had 1 player with 17, 2 players with 16, 1 with 11, and 1 with 10
5 players 70 points

they might be the '2nd best league in the world', but the drop off between 1 and 2 is INCREDIBLE...and the drop off between 2 and top level college, ain't.

**Schilly** · 04-25-2006, 05:13 PM

ok ok here's an interesting link Stats leadsers in the Euroleagues for the regular season.
http://www.euroleague.net/stats/stan...E05&fase=RS051

Leading scorer
1st 18.64ppg
2nd 16.71ppg
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15th 15.57ppg

The leading scorer only took 12.2 shots in 32 minutes per game (51%fg 47%3pt), that has to tell a person something about the league and the style of play. Compare that to Kobes 41mpg (longer than a Euro game) and 27 shots per game.

Toxicity · 04-25-2006, 05:28 PM

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i heard that he is doing better in a better league than both dirk and pau at his age

Well, not exactly. First of all, Dirk Nowitzki never played in Euroleague... he only played in german 1st league (lower level than spanish and italian leagues) and has numbers like 17 ppg and 8 rpg but playing much more minutes and being the go-to-guy of his team (while Andrea is a starter for 2 months but he's just the 3rd offensive option in Benetton)... in the end it's hard to compare Andrea and Dirk at the same age.

Pau Gasol played well in both Euroleague and Spanish league (similar level to italian league) and had stats comparables with Bargnani stats right now. He finished very well that season leading his team (Barcelona) to the win of spanish championship... i hope Andrea can do the same with Benetton Treviso in italian playoffs!

A little annotation: it's not true that Bargnani has a ball-handling like Kukoc. He dribbles very well for his size but he's not a great and creative passer like Toni... he's an average passer. He uses his handle mainly to score thanks to his first step and slashing abilities... but he's more athletic, faster and he's a better defender than Kukoc so he could do better in NBA.

Some other clips about Bargnani:

http://rapidshare.de/files/16239359/...bound.avi.html (dunk after OR)

http://rapidshare.de/files/16240200/..._Foul.avi.html (reverse dunk)

http://195.56.77.208/other/video/5-10649-dsl.wmv (one-hand slam)

Enjoy!

**SheedSoNasty** · 04-25-2006, 05:53 PM

Maybe Bargnani is Morrison and Thomas rolled into one player? I haven't really seen much of him, but from what I hear he sounds very intriguing.

Kopay · 04-25-2006, 06:34 PM

Bargnani sounds very intriguing. He could be the top pick

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