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Old 04-26-2006, 06:12 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I know Ginobili is Argentinian, but is he ethnically Italian? (I wonder, based only on his Italian-sounding name, and the fact that there's a big Italian community in Argentina.)
Almost every player from Argentina has got both argentinian and italian citizenship; the various Ginobili, Nocioni, Scola, Oberto, Montecchia etc have all italian grandparents or greats-grandparents.
The italian in Argentina emigrated there in the late '800s/early '900s and the 90% of them are from Veneto and from my region (Trentino South Tyrol).
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Old 04-26-2006, 06:15 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I just watched the two videos of Bargnani that are posted on O-Live. He's extremely athletic for a big man, and has a very smooth stroke. I did notice a quirk to his form though--on his jump shot, he spreads his legs as he comes back down, so that his feet end up much farther apart than they were when he went up for the shot. Nothing wrong with that, just a quirk.
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Old 04-26-2006, 06:19 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Toxic and ItalianBBlover who are your favorite teams?

My favourite team is Phoenix, because D'Antoni and his style of play (small ball, shooters etc)

Then I follow a few also the Spurs (Manu) and the Bulls (Nocioni).

Anyway I like to follow all the teams; obviously I'll follow the Blazers with more attention if they draft Andrea

About the "best" team for him, I'm on the same frequency of Toxicity, even if I think that Portland wouldn't be so bad above all if Randolph will go away.

Who knows ... wait and see
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Old 04-26-2006, 06:26 PM   #79 (permalink)
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My favourite team is Phoenix, because D'Antoni and his style of play (small ball, shooters etc)

The I follow a little also the Spurs (Manu) and the Bulls (Nocioni).

Anyway I like to follow all the teams; obviously I'll follow the Blazers with more attention if they draft Andrea

About the "best" team for him, I'm on the same frequency of Toxicity, even if I think that Portland wouldn't be so bad above all if Randolph will go away.

Who knows ... wait and see
From what I hear about Bargnani's attitude, work ethic and team mindset, it sounds like Nate would play him as many minutes as possible. And unless Nate is going away from the flex to a fast-paced system, I think he'd log most of his minutes at the 3.
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Re: Bargnani = Euro League Rising Star

I know they're just highlight videos, but the clips on O-Live were mighty impressive. He has a quick stroke, isn't afraid to drive and seems pretty creative with the ball.

I think a lot of fans would be angry if we didn't draft Morrison, but I think they'd come around in a hurry if they drafted Bargnani.
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The flack zagsfan got was not at all due to his admiration for Morrison, it was for telling people they didn't know anything about basketball or were racist if they didn't think Morrison was the best prospect in the upcoming draft.
Show me 1 time, just 1 time where I have said I thought people were racist if they didn't think Morrison was the best prospect in the draft...
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So, where's the "problem" ? if they can score 100+ points every night (as they do the 90% of the times), where is the problem ?
the playoffs series are won by teams that play defense.
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it's enough have on your team good scorers and shooters; it's logic that if you have guys those can't throw down a ball from 10ft, you will have problems if you don't defend ...
if you can't defend, it means that the other teams don't have to worry as much on offense. It's why Phoenix lost last year against the Spurs. They play a gimmicky offense that relies too much (then) on outside shooting and not playing defense.

just outscoring your opponent isn't the best thing to do. Especially when a good defense will give a good offense more trouble than the other way around.

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Where is the "defensive difference" between a Spur's 85-70 and a Sun's 110-95 ?
because one relies on a team not being able to score as much (phoenix) and the other relies on their team STOPPING you from scoring.

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If you usually use just 10-14 seconds to make a basket, it's natural that the opposite team can score a lot of basket, while if you use every time 20-22", the opposite team has less time to make its baskets.

It's clear the point ?

Ciao

defense (at least above adequate (sp) ) is very important. Even if you don't have a good individual defensive team, if they play good TEAM defense, it's important.

It's why when Detroit played LA, they won. Even if Detroits offense (that year) was lagging, their defense is what brought them to the dance. Now they're both offense AND defense.

The Suns are just offense, and little defense. It's why they won't make it to the finals this year. And it's why they won't ever make it to the finals until they play much better defense and lose the gimmicky offense.
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Show me 1 time, just 1 time where I have said I thought people were racist if they didn't think Morrison was the best prospect in the draft...
ok, can do.

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If you don't like Morrison, you're a racist race-hole! HA! burn! thats a good one.

here's my Jim Rome impersonation.

PHA

wait for it.

NOMINAL!

and I'm owt!

Racist haters get bent!

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Good golly, I must have forgotten...
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Good golly, I must have forgotten...
the funny thing is, you got the reference wrong. the "pha....wait for it...NOMINAL" is actually from the character Barney, on "how i met your mother".

you can't even get your insults right.

jeesh. baldie!
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the funny thing is, you got the reference wrong. the "pha....wait for it...NOMINAL" is actually from the character Barney, on "how i met your mother".

you can't even get your insults right.

jeesh. baldie!

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All I have to say is that having this first pick sucks...

whatever way we go...we are going to be known as the team that didn't pick this player or that player.

My vote for the pick...the European. I said Morrison in the beginning, I know. But after watching the video...all I can say is wow, I was very impressed by his play.

Did someone say Sabonis?!
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