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Kmurph · 05-16-2006, 11:21 AM

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Yes. I believe that Darius Miles is a serious problem on this team and needs to go. Rudy Gay has a lot of Darius like qualities. That's enough to scare me away from him.

No he doesn't...

That is an outright untruth...

he has ONE quality in common with Miles and it is ENTIRELY BBALL related and oh BTW...it is shared with MANY other NBA athletes...

He floats....

That is it...He has GREAT athleticism...a GREAT Skillset...good size...all of the measureables...and YES...contrary to your misguided opinion...he is almost universally regarded as a real good kid...

BUT...

HE floats in games at times...he doesn't play up to the level that people (fans\scouts) THINK a player of his caliber SHOULD play at...his doesn't "dominate" games like he is capable of doing...and that is why he has some question marks...

Miles could be one of the best players in the NBA if he had the desire to utilize\maximize his god given abilities...but he doesn't and most likely never will...

That is the question hanging over Gay...and POR should be wary IMO...but to categorize him as having "several" Miles' like qualities is just plain wrong...

Foulzilla · 05-16-2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ebott

Yes it does. The idea of a trend is that it's not a long lasting thing.

trend
1. The general direction in which something tends to move.
2. A general tendency or inclination. See Synonyms at tendency.
3. Current style; vogue: the latest trend in fashion.

Trends have no specific limit on time. Often trends will be short lived, but that is not a limiting factor of a trend.

My point still remains, however, that just saying playera=playerb with nothing supporting that is not a good arguement. I would have been perfectly happy with someone stating "I believe he's just another Darius Miles type, because....", at which point people can debate the actual points.

ThePrideOfClyde · 05-16-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by crandc

Wow, your best and worst case scenarios are all over the map. Some of the "worst case" are guys from last year's draft; I don't think you can reasonably judge the two Williams' (Marvin and Deron) based on one year. Remember, Nowitzki and Nash were considered busts their first year. OTOH, worst case Bryant Reeves would be a nightmare! Ike Diogu, another worst case, actually showed some decent improvement late in the year and is an open case. And Bryon Russell, another "worst case" is hardly a terrible player. He was a decent if not spectacular player on some pretty good teams. I could live with that (although not as a #1 pick). Emeka Okafor, another "best case" was injured most of last year. Tom Gugliotta and Chris Mullin are not in the same class; Gugliotta was a decent enough shooter but Mullin was an outstanding shooter and a first team all NBA. Considering the lousy shooting, especially from long range, and the dreadful free throw shooting, of this Blazers team, I'd be happy with a Chris Mullin, believe me.
Your personal favorite, Brandon Roy, is listes as "best case, Jalen Rose". No knock on Rose but I'd but Michael Finley, Dirk Nowitzki, Vince Carter and I think Brad Daugherty ahead of him.
If someone's best case is really Scottie Pippen, I'd say go for it.

I was thinking the exact same thing, so I scrolled down looking for a post I could quote, instead of having to write all that out. Thanks.

Those are probably the most "casual fan" comparisons you could ever come up with. Too many young players that have yet to have a chance to prove themselves, and too many big name guys that never did much to warrant the attention they received. I'm sorry, but your comparisons piss me off.

i-dio proof · 05-16-2006, 12:35 PM

I have watched only two ncaa games, so no idea about players coming from but the only thing taht Blazers to do is just darft a player with high game iq. Also about Bargnani his worst scenario can not be Darko cos he is more alike at best Dirk and worst Nikoloz. And Darko wlll be a great playe, wish to find that talent like that.

Blazer Maven · 05-16-2006, 02:25 PM

Bargnani is a perimeter player at this point and will play SF, not PF. He should be compared to Peja and Radman, not Dirk.

ebott · 05-16-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blazer Maven

Bargnani is a perimeter player at this point and will play SF, not PF. He should be compared to Peja and Radman, not Dirk.

Dirk is a 3 on offense. He drives to the basket and he shoots jump shots. His offensive game is basically the same as Peja and Radman.

He rebounds better than either and that's why he plays the 4, but that's the only reason.

Sambonius · 05-16-2006, 02:36 PM

I think Bargs can definitly play the 4 as well, he is most effective facing the basket but he does more slashing and plays more rugged than Dirk does.

Reep · 05-16-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Foulzilla

Morrison=Langdon

I can see the others, but Morrison=Langdon? In what way? Redick=Langdon I agree with, but Langdon was a one-dimensional three point shooter, who couldn't do much else. Morrison, may not be the best defender, but he is a decent rebounder for a three and can shoot from anywhere on the court and create his own shot, something Langdon could never do.

Foulzilla · 05-16-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reep

I can see the others, but Morrison=Langdon? In what way? Redick=Langdon I agree with, but Langdon was a one-dimensional three point shooter, who couldn't do much else. Morrison, may not be the best defender, but he is a decent rebounder for a three and can shoot from anywhere on the court and create his own shot, something Langdon could never do.

Well, I wasn't actually stating that. I was using it as an example (the only reason I picked Langdon is that he's a classic example of good college player/poor nba player). I really prefer not to try and fit people into some previous players mold as everyone is in fact unique.

OdomLOL · 05-16-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by crandc

Wow, your best and worst case scenarios are all over the map. Some of the "worst case" are guys from last year's draft; I don't think you can reasonably judge the two Williams' (Marvin and Deron) based on one year. Remember, Nowitzki and Nash were considered busts their first year. OTOH, worst case Bryant Reeves would be a nightmare! Ike Diogu, another worst case, actually showed some decent improvement late in the year and is an open case. And Bryon Russell, another "worst case" is hardly a terrible player. He was a decent if not spectacular player on some pretty good teams. I could live with that (although not as a #1 pick). Emeka Okafor, another "best case" was injured most of last year. Tom Gugliotta and Chris Mullin are not in the same class; Gugliotta was a decent enough shooter but Mullin was an outstanding shooter and a first team all NBA. Considering the lousy shooting, especially from long range, and the dreadful free throw shooting, of this Blazers team, I'd be happy with a Chris Mullin, believe me.
Your personal favorite, Brandon Roy, is listes as "best case, Jalen Rose". No knock on Rose but I'd but Michael Finley, Dirk Nowitzki, Vince Carter and I think Brad Daugherty ahead of him.
If someone's best case is really Scottie Pippen, I'd say go for it.

I somewhat agree but I have compared Brandon Roy to Deron Williams all season and Gay's style of play and rawness is very compareable to Marvin Williams IMO. Saying that Shelden Williams worst case scenerio is Ike Diogu is also legit because they both have the same body types and have very similar games-- and I don't believe that Shelden will be worse than Ike. One more thing, it is all about risk, there is not very much risk at all with Shelden or Roy.

i-dio proof · 05-16-2006, 09:34 PM

Hmm i have watched Bargnani and comparison with Dirk's game style is really true but don't know if he will be successful or not like him beacuse Dirk has something that many players don't have, a heart of a winner and hard worker mentality.

AK-47 · 05-16-2006, 10:05 PM

That's an insult to say worst case Deron Williams. If you havn't seen him play when he was logging starting minutes, then you dont know about him. You can't judge any rookie after playing for Jerry Sloan (the hardest on rookies).

Brandon Roy will be better than Rose, trust me. That's why I wish the jazz were lower to get him. I think Brandon Roy will be ROY.

OdomLOL · 05-16-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AK-47

That's an insult to say worst case Deron Williams. If you havn't seen him play when he was logging starting minutes, then you dont know about him. You can't judge any rookie after playing for Jerry Sloan (the hardest on rookies).

Brandon Roy will be better than Rose, trust me. That's why I wish the jazz were lower to get him. I think Brandon Roy will be ROY.

You are getting me wrong AK. Roy is my favoritie player in this draft like I said in my original post. Deron Williams will be a great NBA player and I cannot see Roy being worse than him. I also think that Roy has a great chance of becoming ROY.

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