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Old 05-17-2006, 09:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hoopshype 3 way (proposal)

The Nets are looking for a scoring PF to fit alongside Carter and Kidd and RJ may be used as the bait. They are talking Al Harrington, but the last thing the Hawks need is another swingman, so how about this (after Zach's BYC expires)

Portland gives up:

Zach

Portland receives:

R. Jefferson

Atl gives up:

Al Harrington

Atl receives:

Zach Randolph

NJ gives up:

R. Jefferson

NJ receives:

Al Harrington

This would allow the Blazers to get Tyrus Thomas/Bargnani/Aldridge and plug the draft pick in behind Brian Skinner and run out the following line-up

Telfair/Jack
Webster
Jefferson
Skinner
Pryz

Joel would likely re-sign once we make this deal. It also allows Miles to be traded for a PF/C.
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Old 05-17-2006, 09:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Hoopshype 3 way (proposal)

I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Jefferson isn't significantly better than Zach, but I like his athleticism and his attitude. He would be a better fit for our young up-tempo club.

By the way, isn't Harrington really more of a small forward than a power forward? If the Nets are looking for a power forward, why wouldn't they want Randolph?
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Old 05-17-2006, 09:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Joel would likely re-sign once we make this deal. It also allows Miles to be traded for a PF/C.
Favorable deal. Jefferson is a good, starter quality, young, veteran player. He'd be a good addition.

I don't think it translates to your quote above (either point).
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Old 05-17-2006, 09:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Jefferson isn't significantly better than Zach, but I like his athleticism and his attitude. He would be a better fit for our young up-tempo club.

By the way, isn't Harrington really more of a small forward than a power forward? If the Nets are looking for a power forward, why wouldn't they want Randolph?

Unfortunately Portland under Nate McMillan doesn't have a young up tempo club. What the team needs for Nate's system is a really good defender that is great at walking the ball up the floor, setting screens, posting up and happy with his team scoring under a 100 points per game.
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Old 05-17-2006, 09:43 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I would do that deal in a heartbeat. Jefferson isn't significantly better than Zach, but I like his athleticism and his attitude. He would be a better fit for our young up-tempo club.
Ditto.
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Old 05-17-2006, 10:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Hoopshype 3 way (proposal)

I wouldn't mind this either, but it should be just Portland and NJ. Zach is a better fit in NJ than Harrington. I was just surprised that Jefferson makes that much.

Having said that, if Portland trades Zach, they better have some kind of plan on where to get interior scoring and offensive rebounding. The Blazers aren't exactly deep in that area. I guess I'm thinking this only makes sense if the Blazers like Aldridge.

I could see the Blazers even adding value (+Blake +30th pick) to make something like this happen as Jeffereson would be the type of veteran leader with playoff experience that the team needs.
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Re: Hoopshype 3 way (proposal)

I don't think the Nets will trade RJ for just Al Harrington. Yes, they can definitely use someone like Al at PF but RJ is a more talented defensive player who is also about the only one who runs the floor with Kidd at this moment. They won't dare to mess up their chemistry for Al Harrington.
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Re: Hoopshype 3 way (proposal)

When I hear "3 way proposal" I think someone is having kinky thoughts again.

Probably more productive than endless fake trades that none of us could make and that probably the parties involved have no interest in. I never could understand the fascination of these eternal fantasies.
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The Nets will want Telfair involved somehow.

A newly moved team in need of a local posterchild.
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The Nets will want Telfair involved somehow.

A newly moved team in need of a local posterchild.
yeah, because thats the only way they'll be able to gain interest in the nets in brooklyn. having telfair.

there's absolutely no other possible way to get the attention of the millions of people there, cept for telfair. It's amazing that team hasn't closed shop, for the lack of a 'poster child'.
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yeah, because thats the only way they'll be able to gain interest in the nets in brooklyn. having telfair.

there's absolutely no other possible way to get the attention of the millions of people there, cept for telfair. It's amazing that team hasn't closed shop, for the lack of a 'poster child'.
Is there some particular reason that you have to lay on the sarcasm with a trowel like this? I don't necessarily agree with Samuel either, but he's as entitled to his opinion as anybody else around here. I don't think it's a particular stretch to think that the Nets would like to have Telfair on their roster since Kidd's getting a little long in the tooth and Telfair is a highschool legend in NYC.
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Old 05-18-2006, 08:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Is there some particular reason that you have to lay on the sarcasm with a trowel like this? I don't necessarily agree with Samuel either, but he's as entitled to his opinion as anybody else around here. I don't think it's a particular stretch to think that the Nets would like to have Telfair on their roster since Kidd's getting a little long in the tooth and Telfair is a highschool legend in NYC.
because it's implying something that's faulty to begin with. That A: the Nets will want Telfair so bad that they HAVE to get him (and there have been 0 trade rumors about the nets or knicks getting him outside of portland fans being paranoid) and B: he's all the sudden going to be THE difference between them being sucessful and not.

How many times are we going to hear that the Knicks or Nets want him BECAUSE he's a "NY legend", without having any substantial proof or even RUMORS about it?

If another team wants him, it'll be because he's good. You honestly think metro NY will just love a guy because he's "one of their own", if he's no good?

and it's not like the Nets will be offering the Blazers anything decent for him (it's not like they're going to offer carter or jefferson for him or a combo of him + a current blazer) or the knicks either. and it's not like the nets are thinking "wow, if we can only get telfair, then we'll topple the knicks and yankees!!!"

yes, we wanted damon because he was local. But he wasn't a "poster child" for the franchise. Most of the fans who say we should draft a player (luke jackson, fred jones, ridnour) with a 1st round pick, aren't the ones who make up the majority of the fans who would prefer the team be a winner regardless of where they come from.

I don't know why NY area fans are any different. Think they cared that their last finals team was lead by someone not from NY? Same with the Nets fans?
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because it's implying something that's faulty to begin with. That A: the Nets will want Telfair so bad that they HAVE to get him (and there have been 0 trade rumors about the nets or knicks getting him outside of portland fans being paranoid) and B: he's all the sudden going to be THE difference between them being sucessful and not.

How many times are we going to hear that the Knicks or Nets want him BECAUSE he's a "NY legend", without having any substantial proof or even RUMORS about it?

If another team wants him, it'll be because he's good. You honestly think metro NY will just love a guy because he's "one of their own", if he's no good?

and it's not like the Nets will be offering the Blazers anything decent for him (it's not like they're going to offer carter or jefferson for him or a combo of him + a current blazer) or the knicks either. and it's not like the nets are thinking "wow, if we can only get telfair, then we'll topple the knicks and yankees!!!"

yes, we wanted damon because he was local. But he wasn't a "poster child" for the franchise. Most of the fans who say we should draft a player (luke jackson, fred jones, ridnour) with a 1st round pick, aren't the ones who make up the majority of the fans who would prefer the team be a winner regardless of where they come from.

I don't know why NY area fans are any different. Think they cared that their last finals team was lead by someone not from NY? Same with the Nets fans?
I didn't say that your opinion is necessarily incorrect. I just didn't see any reason for being so snotty in the way you expressed it.
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