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06-06-2006, 02:46 PM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
I really want morrison now him and webster would be deadly and even help out the big men in the middle but not allowing double teams and if they did they would pay for it.
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06-07-2006, 08:08 AM
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Love how the word asinine "stirs" the masses... 
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nothing like the thrill of blanket insults/baiting towards those you disagree with eh KMurph? Actually this sort of crap completely deflates any value your opinion holds for me, and makes you seem only seem to be looking for a fight.
I guess to each their own... personally I think the Blazers completely blew it on drafting Chris Paul
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06-07-2006, 08:13 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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chris paul is "already" better than telfair...despite the fact that per 48's, their #'s aren't significantly different....and thats with telfair not getting consistent minutes or shots or a real set "role".
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Did you WATCH Paul play this year? Seriously.
Or did you READ Hollinger's statistical article about Paul's rookie year, which was the best for a PG since Oscar Robertson?
Denying that Chris Paul had a much, much better year than Telfair is pretty much a waste of time, Hap.
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06-07-2006, 08:22 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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Did you WATCH Paul play this year? Seriously.
Or did you READ Hollinger's statistical article about Paul's rookie year, which was the best for a PG since Oscar Robertson?
Denying that Chris Paul had a much, much better year than Telfair is pretty much a waste of time, Hap.
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did you see that felton ended the season with a string of games (like 20?) with better stats?
or that per 48 their (telfair v paul) #'s weren't enough different to justify the continual *****ing about it almost a ****ING YEAR LATER?
I swear, the continual *****ing about rasheed, chris paul, john nash, bob whitsitt, and so on, has really made this board a bore.
can't you people let go of things? we don't have chris paul, and we have telfair and jack. Instead of *****ing about what we don't have, how about dealing with what we DO have?
if we don't pick morrison and he totally kicks butt, I'm not gonna be *****ing about it for a year (or more)...I'll dust myself off, and go on. Living in the past is boring.
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06-07-2006, 08:23 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
if we did draft paul who would be our sg? dixon?
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06-07-2006, 08:27 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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Denying that Chris Paul had a much, much better year than Telfair is pretty much a waste of time, Hap.
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True, but of course that doesn't mean that doesn't necessarily mean Telfair won't become as good a point guard as Paul. You have to factor in that Telfair is younger, had no college experience, didn't get as many minutes because the Blazers have two other PGs, and was injured for much of the season. It's going to take a few more years before anyone knows for sure how high Telfair's potential is and how much of it will be realized.
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06-07-2006, 08:45 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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did you see that felton ended the season with a string of games (like 20?) with better stats?
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What does that have to do with Telfair? That the Blazers made two mistakes in not upgrading when they had the chance?
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or that per 48 their (telfair v paul) #'s weren't enough different to justify the continual *****ing about it almost a ****ING YEAR LATER?
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It's not even a year later, and Portland passed up on the guy that looks to be the best PG of his generation, and you're complaining about us talking about it? That's crazy.
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I swear, the continual *****ing about rasheed, chris paul, john nash, bob whitsitt, and so on, has really made this board a bore.
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Actually, I think that constant complaining about what people are discussing is a bigger drag than the actual discussion.
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06-07-2006, 08:50 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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True, but of course that doesn't mean that doesn't necessarily mean Telfair won't become as good a point guard as Paul. You have to factor in that Telfair is younger, had no college experience, didn't get as many minutes because the Blazers have two other PGs, and was injured for much of the season. It's going to take a few more years before anyone knows for sure how high Telfair's potential is and how much of it will be realized.
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Sebastian is a month younger than Paul. I dont' see why age would be a consideration here.
Telfair had a year to get used to the grind of the NBA... and had actually started 26 games as a rookie in the NBA. And Paul was a rookie... but he was way better.
As for playing time: Claxton is better than any PGs on the Blazers' roster, and Moochie Norris isn't too far behind (unfortunately) but Paul was still earning as many minutes as he could handle. I don't find Telfair's lack of minutes alongside Jack and Blake as some sort of excuse... I find it as another damning bit of evidence that he's not as good as so many of us want him to be.
It's entirely possible that Telfair is going to be a late bloomer in spite of having been a dominant force at every other level at every other point in his life. I find it much more likely that he's just not as good as Paul, and never will be.
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06-07-2006, 08:57 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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can't you people let go of things? we don't have chris paul, and we have telfair and jack. Instead of *****ing about what we don't have, how about dealing with what we DO have?
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Maybe the Blazers could deal Telfair and Jack for Chris Paul...
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06-07-2006, 09:00 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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It's entirely possible that Telfair is going to be a late bloomer in spite of having been a dominant force at every other level at every other point in his life.
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Late bloomer? You're kidding right? He's a player coming out of high school and you're saying late bloomer? Relative to other high school players he's actually been far more productive than you would suggest. High school players take anywhere from 3 to 4 years to pan out and he was in his second season, and you're suggesting he "might" be a late bloomer? Wow.
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06-07-2006, 09:15 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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Sebastian is a month younger than Paul. I dont' see why age would be a consideration here.
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Ed, you have an unparalleled ability to find a black lining to any silver cloud.
Age is a consideration because both Paul and Sebastian are really young and have potential to dramatically improve their games. I thought Paul was a couple of years older than Telfair, but I guess I was wrong. Paul played great last season and looks at this point to be the better player. In a couple of years, that could change. My only point is that it's way too soon to tell.
If one year's play and winning ROY were an indication of a lock on future NBA greatness, Damon Stoudamire would be working on his acceptance speech for his induction into the Hall of Fame in a couple of years. Damon looked great in Toronto...on a crappy team that just let him play his run and gun style. Not to say that I don't love Paul's game or I think he's in the same category as Damon, but you just can't tell that much by one year of play.
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Telfair had a year to get used to the grind of the NBA... and had actually started 26 games as a rookie in the NBA. And Paul was a rookie... but he was way better.
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Did Paul tear a liament in his thumb, sit out several weeks, and then try to play with an injured hand? I'm no NBA guru, but I'd be willing to bet that something like that might impact a PG's play.
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As for playing time: Claxton is better than any PGs on the Blazers' roster, and Moochie Norris isn't too far behind (unfortunately) but Paul was still earning as many minutes as he could handle. I don't find Telfair's lack of minutes alongside Jack and Blake as some sort of excuse... I find it as another damning bit of evidence that he's not as good as so many of us want him to be.
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Claxton and Norris? Which one of those guys is a young NBA pg with untapped potential? Now you're going over the top in trying to make your case. Nate has 3 young PGs that he's trying to get a feel for and he split the minutes among them. Given Telfair's injury and Nate's experimentation, I find nothing "damning" about his not commanding a larger amount of PT last season.
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It's entirely possible that Telfair is going to be a late bloomer in spite of having been a dominant force at every other level at every other point in his life. I find it much more likely that he's just not as good as Paul, and never will be.
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"Late bloomer" at the ripe old age of 21 (next week)? I think maybe he's got a couple more years before he peaks. Right now, I'd agree with you that Paul looks to be the better player and probably will have the better career. Portland may have made another Jordan-type error of passing on a better talent because they already had a Drexler in the fold. For now, I'm only saying that it's too soon to tell.
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06-07-2006, 09:31 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
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personally I think the Blazers completely blew it on drafting Chris Paul
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and Michael Jordan... the there is the Sam Bowie Thing... Larue Martin.. Bob McAdoo...
EVERY TEAM.... and I mean EVERY TEAM... has passed on significant players in their own draft history
Look how many players passed on our beloved Clyde Drexler... something like 12-14?
Terry Poter? Jerome Kersey?
its an age old argument.... let it go..
*Not picking on you Stomp... just the general idea of teams missing great opportunites of drafting such and such a player
They all blow it from time to time
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06-07-2006, 09:48 AM
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Re: Do people realize how well Martell did at the end of last season?
At any rate, my point wasn't to rekindle the Paul vs. Telfair debate, but to say that Portland should draft the best player available, no matter the position they play. If our scouts feel that that player is Brandon Roy, who are any of us to call them out for drafting another SG?
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