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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
Another Morrison rave. At least a rave for his 'moustache.'
Adam Morrison from Gonzaga is a freaking pimp!!! Gonzaga's campus is in Spokane, so I am trying to exhaust all options to get tickets and expense them as "Client entertainment" on my expense report. BTW, I am all about Sports Guys explanation of Morrison's mustache...Although I love the fact Sports Illustrated and USA Today have printed the words..."Porno Mustache" in their past few articles about Morrison. Here is SG's explanation of Morrison's amazing facial hair. "it's not a porn mustache. Please stop calling it that. Jake Plummer had a porn mustache. Wade Boggs had a porn mustache. Morrison has one of those late-'70s ABC Afterschool Special mustaches -- the guys with those 'staches always took Charlene Tilton or Valerie Bertinelli into their brown van, tried to make out with them, gave them some shrooms and panicked when they started OD'ing, ultimately driving them down to an abandoned parking lot and dumping their convulsing bodies behind a picnic bench. That's the Adam Morrison mustache."
http://deezofeezo.blog-city.com/weekend_wrap_up_68.htm
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06-15-2006, 10:28 AM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
Draft the 'stache.
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06-15-2006, 10:31 AM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
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Draft the 'stache.
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06-15-2006, 10:37 AM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
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The truth of the matter is that although I want Morrison at the moment, I just don't see enough of a difference in skill/ability/heart/etc between Roy, Morrison, or Gay that I would be unhappy with any of those three.
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Personally at the moment I want Roy because a big strong guard who is versitile appeals to me, but I agree with this statement in general. I also wouldn't be dissapointed with Aldridge because the Blazers need size.
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06-15-2006, 10:39 AM
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Roy's year this year was just as good--and probably better--than Morrison's. He had almost the same points per shot (1.5 to 1.48 in favor of Morrison). He had over twice the assist/TO ratio (1.8 to 0.76). He outrebounded Morrison 5.6 to 5.5 in spite of playing significantly fewer minutes a game. And defensively, it wasn't even close, of course.
Calling Roy's year "good" while saying Morrison had three "great" years is a joke.
Looking at the 5 years combined, I think that Roy's senior year was best, then Morrison's junior year, and then Roy's junior year (when he shot 56.5% from the field and got 5 rebounds a game in only 24 minutes).
And, in case people don't remember, there's no age difference here. Roy is 4 days younger than Morrison.
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Ed, or someone else, posted this points per shot data before and I think it is relevant. If Roy would have taken as many shots as Morrison, would anyone be arguing that Morrison is a better prospect? I like Morrison a lot because of how he gets his shot off and his passion. But, Roy has real value. People like saying that he is not great at anything. However, 5+ rebounds for a guard is pretty impressive. And since when can you have too many guys who increase ball movement and understand the team plan at both ends of the court. I have to admit that seeing he measured at 6'6"+ in shoes changes my mind a little too.
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06-15-2006, 10:40 AM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
and, for the most classic Oregon sports star's moustache?

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06-15-2006, 10:54 AM
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Ed, or someone else, posted this points per shot data before and I think it is relevant. If Roy would have taken as many shots as Morrison, would anyone be arguing that Morrison is a better prospect?
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The problem with that is pps tends to go down as players take more shots (due to fatigue, more defensive focus, etc), so that fact that Morrison has a better (even though only marginally) pps then Roy with more attempts is actually more to his advantage then Roy's. Much like the per 48 minute stats, pps is a useful stat but cannot be directly extrapolated with any accuracy.
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06-15-2006, 11:04 AM
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The problem with that is pps tends to go down as players take more shots (due to fatigue, more defensive focus, etc), so that fact that Morrison has a better (even though only marginally) pps then Roy with more attempts is actually more to his advantage then Roy's. Much like the per 48 minute stats, pps is a useful stat but cannot be directly extrapolated with any accuracy.
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But the ONLY thing that Morrison does at a "plus" level (even in the NCAAs) is score. (Certainly not defense, nor rebounding, nor passing.)
And he doesn't even do it that much better than Roy.
I agree with you that extrapolating purely on PPS is quite dangerous, but I believe that since Roy averaged over 20 ppg and averaged nearly the same PPS, the dramatic gap that some people see on the offensive end (scoring the basketball) isn't nearly as wide as some think.
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06-15-2006, 11:12 AM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
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The problem with that is pps tends to go down as players take more shots (due to fatigue, more defensive focus, etc), so that fact that Morrison has a better (even though only marginally) pps then Roy with more attempts is actually more to his advantage then Roy's. Much like the per 48 minute stats, pps is a useful stat but cannot be directly extrapolated with any accuracy.
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Therein lies one of the bigger problems. All of us can speculate as to whether a player would score more if they played more minutes or perhaps were on a different team (see Gay v Morrison). Probably the same faulty information will be used when these guys get to the pros. That's why the head to head matchup may be more telling, though to really be accurate you'd have to match them up many, many times over the course of months.
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06-15-2006, 11:18 AM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
To jump into this value of scoring analysis, I think it has to be taken into consideration that every team's game plan against Gonzaga was to stop Morrison. So he must have been facing double teams all season with one of the players being the best defensive player for that team.
Didn't watch enough Huskie games to notice if Roy faced the same . . .
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06-15-2006, 11:25 AM
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To jump into this value of scoring analysis, I think it has to be taken into consideration that every team's game plan against Gonzaga was to stop Morrison. So he must have been facing double teams all season with one of the players being the best defensive player for that team.
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Morrison got 28.1 ppg, while Batista got 19.3 ppg.
Roy got 20.2, while Jamaal Williams got 13.8.
Roy was the focal point of the Huskies' offense, no question, and while the Huskies had more scoring options than the Zags did after their best player, Batista was a significantly better second option than anything UW had to support Roy.
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06-15-2006, 11:49 AM
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I don't think that is necessarily true Ed....
UW had a much better team than Gonzaga did...w\o Morrison Gonzaga would have been nothing...Batista and Raivio aren't leading that team anywhere....
UW has a lot of good talent on their team
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06-15-2006, 11:57 AM
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I don't think that is necessarily true Ed....
UW had a much better team than Gonzaga did...w\o Morrison Gonzaga would have been nothing...Batista and Raivio aren't leading that team anywhere....
UW has a lot of good talent on their team
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You think that the Huskies would have been good without Roy? They have some good young talent in Brockman and Dentman, but Jones and Williams and Abbleby weren't going to lead that team to the NCAA tournament.
But I'm not exactly sure what you're disagreeing with me on... that Roy was the critical offensive piece for UW, and that other teams focused on him?
Explain how Roy scored about 50% more than the second leading scorer on his team, please, if you deny that he was the critical offensive piece. Also please name a scorer that was nearly as accomplished as Batista on the Huskies team. Roy was able to be almost as dominant offensively on a superior team.
I watched (including several times in person) Roy and the Huskies, and if opponents weren't keying on Roy then they were foolish.
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06-15-2006, 12:15 PM
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Re: Martell, Roy and Morrison
I also watched UW several times Ed, and while Roy may have been the focal piece, his surrounding teamates were much better as a whole than Morrison's were...
and yeah, I think the Huskies would have been pretty good w\o Roy...just like they will be this next year....
Gonzaga won't be nearly as good...UW had much better talent IMO...the fact that a marginal 2nd prospect like Batista was their 2nd leading scorer...IMO shows how valuable Morrison was to that team...
Jamal Williams will probably be a 1st rounder when he declares...That guy is going to be a very good player...
Bobby Jones is a likely high 2nd rounder....
Dentmon and Appelby are both better players than Raivio is...
and I don't think other teams focused on Roy nearly as much as teams did on Morrison, who was almost always double and sometimes triple teamed....
Roy had a good season...out of 4...Morrison IMO had a superior season though...That Gonzaga team was nothing w\o him...he carried them all year...That was not the case with Roy, who was quite frequently on the bench during critical times (like vs Gonzaga)...and it was the rest of the UW team that picked upi the slack...
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