mook

Surprised not to see Karl Malone even mentioned in this list. I know he isn't what he used to be, but I'd still take him over Antoine Walker

Ed O

You're asking a false question, because that situation did not really happen. There was no 3 on 0 break where Wallace pulled up for a 3. You're either deluding yourself or you're using hyperbole. Either way, a false example doesn't help prove your opinion is right.

It's not an either, or situation. Trading Wallace won't get us a superstar.

Additionally, you're ignoring half the game. Wallace is a very good defender and can't legitimately be criticised for lack of effort at that end.

I want to be the team that gives up two solid players for one very good one... not the other way around.

The Sonics are a team that's full of solid players + one star (Payton, and now Allen). Guess what? They are mediocre, missed the playoffs, have no better chance of making it there next year, etc. etc.

Sheed had a very good game in game 7. He hit some huge shots when nobody else on the Blazers could, and he did a good job containing Dirk (until Pippen started guarding him late in the game).

Is he Tim Duncan or Shaq? No. But failing getting Shaq or Duncan, or some fair approximation, I'll take my chances with Wallace.

Ed O.

Terrible

Ed, are you telling me that the fast break with Sheed pulling up for a three didn't happen?


As for getting two solid role players and a true three why wouldn't ya for Sheed? We have Zach and Bonzi now, give them a real three guard to complete the trio, there are some out there! In doing so you take the lethargy off this team and bring in some energy and fire. What's wrong with that?

BTW- Why should this teams so called best player only be required to play half a game? Do ya think that Duncan, Dirk and CWebb get that same check in check out policy on their game? If they did, do ya think they'd be in the second round right now?

Guess there's a reason they don't check out for halfs at a time or games at a time, they like to win series!

Ed O

With NO defenders back? Yes. Why would someone have passed it to Wallace, as a trailer, if there were no defenders back? It doesn't make any sense because it didn't happen.

Alternatively: if it was a 3-0 break, how did the other two Blazers not get the rebound? Again: it doesn't make sense because it didn't happen.

If we got a 3 that was in the same ballpark as Wallace either in terms of production or talent, then I would certainly consider it. Getting a "solid" player to fill a role is not enough for a player of Rasheed's caliber.

I hear what you're saying, I just think that we disagree entirely on how much value Wallace brings to the team. That makes it tough on what fair value for him would be.

Ed O.

Terrible

Ed, I'm telling ya in game seven we had a fast break and Sheed pulled up and took a three. The arsse clown Walton was all over it saying "Why would Sheed take that three and not just dunk it!" further "Not smart basketball!"

loyalty4life

Wallace vs. Marion:


Marion's numbers:

PPG 21.2
RPG 9.50
APG 2.4
Efficiency Ranking + 24.22

Wallace's numbers:

PPG 18.1
RPG 7.40
APG 2.1
Efficiency Ranking + 18.88


Marion is clearly the better player. And if you want to argue who shoots the ball better at the 3 point line, here's the comparision:

Marion: .387
Wallace: .358


How else can I prove it? Marion also is third in the NBA in steals with 2.28 a game, and he's eighth in the league in rebounds with 9.5 a game.

I'd trade Wallace for Marion without question.

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Yega1979

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitski
4. Rasheed Wallace
5. Chris Webber(not what he used to be)

I believe this is how they rank on an individual basis.

Speed

not what he used to be? doesn't Webber have a near triple double every day?

loyalty4life

Also, I think Wallace ranks slightly above Juwan Howard.

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Speed

Terrible, you're always wrong. It's laughable. It was not 3 on none.

And when I said the Blazers could get to game seven when it was 0-3, you said it couldn't be done.

You don't know anything about this team. You're just Mr. Negative. You live up to your name.

I can't even believe you hang out here after the team proved you wrong last week by beating the Mavs three times when you were CONVINCED that they were INCAPABLE of doing it ONCE.

Go Blazers

Terrible

One more thing Ed, I believe that Sheed is the most talented PF in the game. His turnaround jump shot and post up jump shots are undefendable, better than KG's, Duncan and CWebbs! His leaping ability and arm spand makes him better than these guys too. His three ball seperates him from all PF's except Dirk! SOOOOOO why are these guys getting better number a night then Sheed and leading their teams to better records and further depth in the playoffs? They know their games and how to make points, fouls and get the other players on their teams involved. Sheed does not, and that falls squarely on his basketball IQ!

Sheed does not think when out there, he reacts and there is the difference between good and great players. Great players think not only of where they are but their teamates as well, Sheed has not mastered that yet. Chances are he never will at his age or stage in the game. You look at guys like Dirk and Duncan, they know where their teamates are at all times, they work themselves into a spot on the court where they can score, get fouled, or can make a pass to a free shooter. I just don't see that thought process with Sheed do you?

If Sheed would just show up every night, I'd never want to trade him, but he doesn't and we both know it! It's time to have a player that does and we have one in Zach,now let's give him a few smart players to make his life easier!

Terrible

Speed, the grown folks are talking, we'll call ya when we need a cheer!

Speed

If you watched Game 7, Sheed was UNBELIEVABLE in the first half and without scoring a point. His defense on Dirk was spectacular. His shot block on Finley was awesome. And he made SO MANY great passes to help us get easy layups. We outassisted the Mavs by almost double I think and a lot of that was cuz of Sheed. Sheed would get the ball in a position to score, but he would always look to hit Randolph or Sabonis for an easier shot. And often, one of them, was looking for another guy for the layup! It was GREAT basketball. He was always thinking team. Always thinking "find the easier shot."

In the 4th quarter, when the pressure was on, and the team needed someone to lean on, he took on the pressure and knocked down nearly every shot he took. He scored 12 points in the 4th quarter including a go ahead three with less than 5 minutes to play. What happened after that, and the reason we lost, was due to our inability to stop the Dallas Mavericks. I think it's cuz Damon was out there. Damon played great, but if he's not scoring anymore, he had to come out, and Sheed had to help Damon on D too much and that left Dallas open. Dallas still made big big shots. And they won. We lost. Ah well.

Great series. And kudos to Sheed for being able to do all this out of position and for the good of the team.

I mean for goodness sakes, for all of game 6 and half of game 7, Sheed held Dirk to 12 pts! That was unbelievable.

If you look at just Sheed's first half scoring to judge him, then you don't know the game. And if you look at his rebounding to judge him, when he's playing SF and guarding the PERIMETER, then you REALLY don't know the game.

Go Blazers

Speed

You wouldn't know how to talk like a grown up. Read the above post and learn.

You said the Blazers couldn't beat the Mavs, so you're already discredited.

Go Blazers

Terrible

Speed give it a rest before you are made to cry and run to the administration again cause some one else is picking on you! I know how you love to play the victim.