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07-29-2006, 07:16 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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So, I guess this is the mentality...
Bucks: Needed to free up room in the frontcourt and get rid of a disgruntled veteran (Magloire). Having traded TJ Ford, needed a dependable PG (Blake).
Blazers: Looking for a way to trade Darius Miles, no one was biting on giving up anything of value, the next best approach is to get something of value that you can use in a package in a few months.
Bucks' positives: Blake is a solid PG with championship (college) experience.
Bucks' negatives: Magloire is an established veteran at C, and Blake is not a great PG.
Blazers' positives: Got a veteran who can hold down either C or PF, in case of injuries, etc.
Blazers' negatives: Magloire was unhappy in Milwaukee, what will make him happy in Portland? Blake was the Blazers' best PG for stretches of last season - will Jack, Roy and Dickau be able to hold down the fort?
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Hold down in case of injuries????? You do realize that Magloire is a lot better than any center we have had on our team since Sabas left right?
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07-29-2006, 07:35 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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Hold down in case of injuries????? You do realize that Magloire is a lot better than any center we have had on our team since Sabas left right?
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I don't know about that. Wasn't Jason Jennings on the team after Sabas?
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07-29-2006, 07:49 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
man what a deal for the blazers , I know zbo will love playing with Maglore , and blake was nice but i will take dickau over him anyday . I cant deal with another year of him and dixon starting in the backcourt gese. Portland has a nice frontcourt with Zach , Lamarcus , Raef , Przbilla and Maglore.
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07-29-2006, 08:15 PM
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happy fat guy
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Re: Done Deal!!
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I don't know about that. Wasn't Jason Jennings on the team after Sabas?
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Wow, what an oversite. I do apologise. How about the best center since Sabas that didn't attend Arkansas.
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07-29-2006, 08:22 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
I hate to say it, but we've got to give some credit to Nash on this one. His Blake and Pryzbilla signings have been very good ones. Blake was clearly the main part of the trade on the Bucks end, as Skinner matched salaries and Ha was there for potental.
We have to thank Nash's great signing of Blake for getting us a legit center in return only a year later.
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07-29-2006, 08:29 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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So, I guess this is the mentality...
Bucks: Needed to free up room in the frontcourt and get rid of a disgruntled veteran (Magloire). Having traded TJ Ford, needed a dependable PG (Blake).
Blazers: Looking for a way to trade Darius Miles, no one was biting on giving up anything of value, the next best approach is to get something of value that you can use in a package in a few months.
Bucks' positives: Blake is a solid PG with championship (college) experience.
Bucks' negatives: Magloire is an established veteran at C, and Blake is not a great PG.
Blazers' positives: Got a veteran who can hold down either C or PF, in case of injuries, etc.
Blazers' negatives: Magloire was unhappy in Milwaukee, what will make him happy in Portland? Blake was the Blazers' best PG for stretches of last season - will Jack, Roy and Dickau be able to hold down the fort?
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Entirely valid questions.
I'm very disappointed that Blake will be gone from the standpoint that, whether anybody likes it or not, he *was* the Blazers' most efficient PG last season. Obviously I wish him well in Milwaukee and while I think Jack is ready, Portland is going to continue to be young at PG. I cruised the realgm Bucks forum (I don't post on realgm anymore and haven't for a very long time) and there is strong speculation that the piece that Milwaukee REALLY wanted was Blake (I've seen that hinted at here but not so extensively). From the standpoint that Blake really seemed to want to settle down in Portland (not to mention that whole baby thing that the Blakes are experiencing right now), it maybe has to do something for whatever ego he has to be *wanted* by someone?
Magloire was unhappy in Milwaukee ... if I'm not mistaken he wasn't all that happy in New Orleans either. Dunno if he finds any peace in Portland either, but we'll see.
And forgive me for being repetitive, but I am STILL convinced that the Mags/Mason deal happened for reasons that had less to do with basketball and more about promotion and filling seats ... specificially seats in a strange venue in a strange city where the Hornets went after Kat flushed them out of NOLA last fall. Sure Mags was an unhappy Bug, so to speak, but I seem to recall Mason wasn't real thrilled about being traded either (never mind that because Mason became a Hornet, that just meant the adoptive fans in OKC embraced the team even more ... I mean hell nobody knew the Hornets weren't going to suck or anything like they were expected to).
In retrospect, did the Mags/Mason deal have to happen in the first place?
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07-29-2006, 08:34 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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Entirely valid questions.
I'm very disappointed that Blake will be gone from the standpoint that, whether anybody likes it or not, he *was* the Blazers' most efficient PG last season. Obviously I wish him well in Milwaukee and while I think Jack is ready, Portland is going to continue to be young at PG. I cruised the realgm Bucks forum (I don't post on realgm anymore and haven't for a very long time) and there is strong speculation that the piece that Milwaukee REALLY wanted was Blake (I've seen that hinted at here but not so extensively). From the standpoint that Blake really seemed to want to settle down in Portland (not to mention that whole baby thing that the Blakes are experiencing right now), it maybe has to do something for whatever ego he has to be *wanted* by someone?
Magloire was unhappy in Milwaukee ... if I'm not mistaken he wasn't all that happy in New Orleans either. Dunno if he finds any peace in Portland either, but we'll see.
And forgive me for being repetitive, but I am STILL convinced that the Mags/Mason deal happened for reasons that had less to do with basketball and more about promotion and filling seats ... specificially seats in a strange venue in a strange city where the Hornets went after Kat flushed them out of NOLA last fall. Sure Mags was an unhappy Bug, so to speak, but I seem to recall Mason wasn't real thrilled about being traded either (never mind that because Mason became a Hornet, that just meant the adoptive fans in OKC embraced the team even more ... I mean hell nobody knew the Hornets weren't going to suck or anything like they were expected to).
In retrospect, did the Mags/Mason deal have to happen in the first place?
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It's great to bring up his unhappiness. I think he will have those same problems here because of our logjam at the two front court spots. I am hoping he stays silent and is a good soldier until the trade deadline so we can pack him out of here with Miles.
Another thing we should look at is how low his value is right now. I mean the guy almost averaged a doubel double last year and was traded for Steve Blake, Brian Skinner and Ha. Hopefully he'll get his stuff together and play for that contract.
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07-29-2006, 09:36 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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This is the perfect sort of acquistion to me. It shouldn't take them out of the Oden lottery . . .
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You can't be serious. Portland's chances of getting Greg Oden were extremely thin to begin with, and this acquisition plus our draft picks and the further development of our young players gives us a fairly reasonable chance of making the playoffs. I wouldn't even be thinking Oden at this point.
Even if we don't make the playoffs, our record will probably give us a pick in the bottom half of the lottery--rather than the top 3, where Oden will surely go.
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07-29-2006, 09:40 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
I think Magloire will start over Joel. He is more talented, and the all-around better player. Joel will be a good player to bring off the bench considering he is injury prone. Anyways I like the deal, and if the Blazers aren't competing for the playoffs by the deadline, there will always be a market for a veteran center.
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07-29-2006, 09:45 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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This is the perfect sort of acquistion to me. It shouldn't take them out of the Oden lottery . . .
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What happens if Portland has the worst record again, and they still don't get the top pick? A whole lot of good that would be. I think the lottery has proven that there's no point in tanking.
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07-29-2006, 10:37 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
ducan proves you can tank :P
well blake was a low risk low reward signing when we got him luckily the blazers and himself were able to turn him into a needed tradable player which aloud us to trade him for a lowend pf and a #46pick HA for a 10-15 center in the league! thats great!
reaf can focus on pf
i can see 3 squads
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07-29-2006, 10:57 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
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ducan proves you can tank :P
well blake was a low risk low reward signing when we got him luckily the blazers and himself were able to turn him into a needed tradable player which aloud us to trade him for a lowend pf and a #46pick HA for a 10-15 center in the league! thats great!
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I think there is more to this trade for Milwaukee than meets the eye. Skinner and Ha probably wont play for them this year. If they are both let go the Bucks traded their third center for a back up pg. While I think they could have gotten more for Magloire they will probably use the money they will save and get a small forward to back up Simmons. Player for Player portland got the better of this one, but overall this will help out the Bucks just as much as Portland if not more. Milwaukee just cleared a cluster in their front court and solidified their backcourt, while Portland now has two slightly above average centers one signed to a long term deal and the other a baby about his playing time and desire to break the bank in free agency next year. Also Magloire did nothing to help Andrew Boguts development last season and may hinder Aldridge this year. If Portlands whole plan is to package Magloire and Miles together just to get rid of Miles best of luck... they make a combined 15 mil next year and no team other than NY will pick up that kind of contract, and portland would need to recieve at least 12 million player salaries.
Portland got the better player but possibly the bigger headache.
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07-29-2006, 10:57 PM
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Re: Done Deal!!
Nothing on OLive, nothing on the 5 o'clock news ... if the teams were just waiting on physicals and paperwork, wouldn't word have leaked out by now?
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