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Oil Can · 08-04-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

Deleted. Not worth arguing.

Finally, agreeance.

Masbee · 08-04-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Can

At the end of the day, as I have mentioned before, your opinion is no more or less valid than mine or any of the other posters on this forum.

This statement defies all reason.

Maybe you mean to say everyone is just as free to post their opinions as any other. That is a true statement.

Maybe you mean something on the order of "on the internet no one has any true credibility".

However, just because you are unable to discern any differences betweens various posts by different posters, doesn't mean there is none.

In fact there is. The differences in validity border on the Grand Canyonesque.

And in case you missed it, as it is really quite old news, there have been many threads in the past regarding the Paul Allen lease with the City. Far more information, valuable source references, more complete quotes from the real players than all the Sports Columns that mention it combined.

Ed O · 08-04-2006, 08:31 PM

barfo · 08-04-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Can

Very happy for your education. Thanks for the information. I too hold advanced degrees, and you know what? It holds no bearing to this conversation.

Actually, while your advanced degrees are (I gather) irrelevant to this topic (as are mine), Ed's law degree is actually relevant, in that this is a legal issue.

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At the end of the day, I don't know if they will relocate or not. Just like you. Forgive me if I am mistaken, but this is a sports forum where opinions are shared. I thought that opinion and speculation was inherent logic in these threads if they did not contain links. I will be more careful in the future to clearly indicate an opinion as to not confuse.

Well, there is a grey area here. If I say Brian Skinner averaged 2.7 ppg last season, you will assume I'm attempting to state a fact (and you will correct me if I'm wrong, which I am, since I don't know what Skinner averaged). If I say Brian Skinner will average 23.9 ppg next season, then that's obviously an opinion, and an unrealistic one at that. But if I say the average cost of refueling the Blazer airplane is $9,500, it isn't clear whether I am stating that as opinion or fact. In this case, uninformed opinion. Jet fuel costs a lot, but I don't know how much. Your comment about the cost of breaking the agreement w/ Portland falls in to this category - it wasn't clear whether you were stating your opinion or claiming to have some knowledge.

barfo

The Professional Fan · 08-04-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mook

Great point. Put yourself in Paul's shoes for a minute. For a while he was the owner of one of the most maligned sports teams in America. What's it like for him to go to parties and have people say, "Man, your team is an embarassment."?

I used to own an old Porsche 914 kinda like this one:

I loved that car more than any vehicle I'll probably ever own. Funky looking and fun to drive. But when it kept breaking down and all my friends kept telling me, "What a piece of junk. Go buy a Honda.", I tended to start thinking about selling that car. No matter how much I loved it. But when, through some cosmic harmonic convergence, it started running well again I just couldn't imagine parting with it.

Maybe Allen's just gone through something similar. The Porsche wasn't my sole source of transportation, just like the Blazers aren't his only income. Both are basically hobbies. When a hobby stops being fun, you tend to think about dumping it. When it starts looking fun again (and when all your friends stop laughing at you), maybe you change your mind.

That's an awesome analogy. Love it.

And maybe, just maybe, Patterson and Pritchard have been fighting tooth and nail to keep their jobs. Allen loses interest in his hobby and sells the team - they're gone. They rolled the dice on what - 7 trades since draft day? They've kept their "owner" interested and entertained and possibly in the process have kept their jobs. And the way out there speculation is Pritchard and Patterson could have kept the Blazers in Portland with what they've done this summer. If the Blazers truly are just a hobby for Allen, and he's really just a fan, then there's no way he could move the Blazers to Seattle.

You're all Blazer fans.....could you move the team to Seattle?

I would think not.

barfo · 08-04-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Professional Fan

And maybe, just maybe, Patterson and Pritchard have been fighting tooth and nail to keep their jobs. Allen loses interest in his hobby and sells the team - they're gone. They rolled the dice on what - 7 trades since draft day? They've kept their "owner" interested and entertained and possibly in the process have kept their jobs.

That makes perfect sense. If I were P or P, I'd want to keep my job, and I'd be trying to figure out - what does the bossman want? What will please him? And they may have found the answer.

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And the way out there speculation is Pritchard and Patterson could have kept the Blazers in Portland with what they've done this summer. If the Blazers truly are just a hobby for Allen, and he's really just a fan, then there's no way he could move the Blazers to Seattle.

But this doesn't make any sense at all. Why wouldn't he prefer his hobby to be located closer to his home?

barfo

**mgb** · 08-05-2006, 01:04 AM

I'm a big Dallas Cowboy fan and would love to own them but I would never think of moving them out of Dallas, well surrounding area, because they would no longer be the Dallas Cowboys my fav team. So I think that is a legit point.

mediocre man · 08-05-2006, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mgb

I'm a big Dallas Cowboy fan and would love to own them but I would never think of moving them out of Dallas, well surrounding area, because they would no longer be the Dallas Cowboys my fav team. So I think that is a legit point.

Little known fact about the Cowboys is that their first training camp was held in Forrest Grove in 1960. Remember, the Cowboys weren't the first team in Dallas, the texans were. Then they moved to KC, so really you should be a Chiefs fan.

**mgb** · 08-05-2006, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mediocre man

Little known fact about the Cowboys is that their first training camp was held in Forrest Grove in 1960. Remember, the Cowboys weren't the first team in Dallas, the texans were. Then they moved to KC, so really you should be a Chiefs fan.

Not sure I follow you. I became a Cowboy fan in 71 so why should I be a Chiefs fan? Because some other team was there before? Doesn't make much sense to me. Dallas never relocated from another city.

barfo · 08-05-2006, 01:09 PM

According to the editorial page of the Oregonian, blazer fans are up in arms about Paul not selling:

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Originally Posted by Oregonian

S o Paul Allen has changed his mind about selling the Portland Trail Blazers franchise. Reaction among Blazer fans has ranged mostly from angry to very angry.

Oregonian editorial

Really? I'm sure there are blazer fans who are pissed about it, but I doubt this is an accurate description of the fanbase.

barfo

**SheedSoNasty** · 08-05-2006, 01:16 PM

I wonder who the Oregonian polled and how many responses they recieved. Did they ask anyone on this board for their opinion or did they decide to ask Mark Wattles instead?

**Gunner** · 08-05-2006, 02:28 PM

It sounds like they'v polled all Blazer fans. I DID miss a phone call yesterday. But how did they get my number? Is that an editorial "we" thats used," WE'V taken a tolerant view.etc blah blah.."? Since when has the Oregonian taken a "tolerant" view of anything having to do with the Blazers? Just another example of the muckrakers telling the less informed fans what they should think.
" Worse, Vulcan (Allen's investment firm) and the Blazers refuse to be transparent about what the owner intends to do, plunging the long-suffering fans into yet another round of uncertainty."

The ********! More likely the concern is that the "long suffering" SnOregonian hacks are plunged into uncertainty regarding which direction they should take the next round of yellow journalism as the majority of the current roster are for the most part,thought unlikely to be involved in fights while leaving strip joints in the AM,violating the league drug policies,etc,etc.
Yeah,I'm sure theres been much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the tents of Oregonian,with each positive move made recently.

Oil Can · 08-07-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Masbee

And in case you missed it, as it is really quite old news, there have been many threads in the past regarding the Paul Allen lease with the City. Far more information, valuable source references, more complete quotes from the real players than all the Sports Columns that mention it combined.

Yes. I am aware of the plethora of resources that you mentioned, and that I take over any Joe Lounge-chairs in the Blazer forum.

Some postings and opinions might/might not have more validity, but at the end of the day, you guys are often posting opinions and speculations in these threads. I can discern when they are or are

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