dudleysghost

I said yes, but very reluctantly. Q is possibly going to be injured for his entire contract, making him a giant long term waste of money. Miles already is that, so it may be just a lateral move. The determining factors would be:

1) Do the Blazers doctors expect Q to be able to play any significant amount of time in the future? If so, that pushes the equation strongly in favor of making this trade.

2) Is Miles willing to work for a trade? It's my belief that the strong play we saw from Miles at the start of last year was the result of him and management coming to an agreement, whereby he would play hard to earn attention from league GMs, and management would then work hard to trade him. That agreement fell apart when Miles's knee went out, and when the trade deadline passed without a trade, Miles's attitude turned to feces. If Miles seemed willing to make that deal again this coming season, then he could potentially play well enough to get us something better than Q-Rich in trade near the deadline, like an expiring contract. That would push the equation away from trading. However, if he was unwilling to cooperate be a good soldier for a few months, then we should trade him now just to get his attitude and apathy away from the team. Q-Rich, Jerome James, Marko Jaric ... whatever another team would give us.

Ed O

I wouldn't do it. I look at the best-case scenario for each of the players and how they'd fit in with the rest of the players... Richardson is more redundant than Miles, who's more of a pure 3 and capable of guarding bigger players more effectively than Richardson (or Roy or Webster).

The downside of each of the players is that Q is hurt and Miles is difficult, so they're a waste of money. Given the similar downside I look at the potential for each to help the current team (and into the future) and I think Miles is more valuable.

Ed O.

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PorterIn2004

I like your points, Ed, I really do. I think Miles might still work out here and I'd rather have him than trade him for, say, Troy Hudson, (at least in part because I think Hudson might create other difficulties beyond not adding as much as either Miles or Richardson).

That said, I'd pull the trigger with Richardson. More than you seem to, I think there is a risk to having Miles around the team. Richardson, if he's healthy, adds to the team without that risk. If he's not healthy... well, maybe the team loses a few more games (not a bad year for it) and Nate's forced to play guys like Webster and Outlaw more. While it's not exactly what I'd call a win-win, I'd make the move.

GOD

How about this:

Portland Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Darius Miles 6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
14.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.2 minutes
Jamaal Magloire 6-11 C from Kentucky
9.2 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.7 apg in 30.1 minutes

Incoming
Quentin Richardson 6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Maurice Taylor 6-9 PF from Michigan
6.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.0 minutes


Why for Portland - Portland "gets rid" of Darius for all those who think he hurts the team for Q, who although has had injuries, is a team player and pretty darn good when healthy. Portland also gets Taylor who has an expiring contract and could fill in spot minutes if needed. Portland does not need Mags with the abundance of pf/c's on the team and getting back Taylor for spot minutes should be ok.

Why for NY - They get an athletic Miles in NY where he may finally blossom. Mags would be a good veteran presence on the team who will be able to play Center or PF if C in rotating.

Picks and Cash may be added to make things equal.

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SheedSoNasty

If possible, I'd rather see us get Lee instead of Taylor.

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GOD

Why does everyone here like Lee so much? I have not followed him.

Lee has a tiny contract so NY would not be able to take back Mags, and portland would not be getting a sizable expiring contract. That's why I choose Taylor. I also thought it was a fair deal for both sides.

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Maybe we could toss in Dixon and get back Lee... You never know with Isaiah Thomas.

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GOD

I just checked it out in realgm and it does work.

Portland Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jamaal Magloire 6-11 C from Kentucky
9.2 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.7 apg in 30.1 minutes
Darius Miles 6-9 SF from East St. Louis (HS)
14.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.8 apg in 32.2 minutes
Juan Dixon 6-3 PG from Maryland
12.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 25.3 minutes
Incoming

Maurice Taylor 6-9 PF from Michigan
6.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.0 minutes
Quentin Richardson 6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
David Lee 6-9 PF from Florida

The problem is that Dixon gives them nothing. He adds no value to NY and might just be cut. I don't know how much NY likes Lee, but perhaps a couple second round picks added into this deal might work.

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ChadWick

Nah, I'd rather do something like:

Miles
Dixon
Dickau


Richardson
Robinson
Lee


If not Dickau, then either Miles and Dixon for them three or Miles, Dixon, Rodriguez for Nate, Q-Rich, and Lee

Maybe someone can check those Salary wise.



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ChadWick

#1
Lee
Richardson

For

Miles
Dixons


That Works. Checked it with ESPN


Or this one is better:
#2
Blazers Get:
Earl Watson-5,400,000
Nick Collison-2,501,070


Sonics Get:
Mardy Collins-899,880
Renaldo Balkman-1,191,240
Darius Miles-7,750,000


Knicks Get:
Damien Wilkins-2,700,000



Knicks get kind of screwed, but they gave up pretty much no talent for some decent talent.

Which trade you like better? #1 or #2?



Blazers8

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GOD

The idea is that both teams get something they want from a trade. why not miles for TMac, because the other team would not do it. Maglorie was in my proposed trade as a reason for NY to do the trade. If they are luke warm on Miles, don't want dixon, and don't want Dickau, why would they give up Richardson, who they are lukewarm on, Lee who they like, and Nate, who they like.

Trades should make some sense.

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HOWIE

I just don't think that you're going to get a lot for Miles at the present moment. If Portland wants to move Miles right now they are going to have to throw in something to make it interesting for the other team. With the addition of Mags our front court is loaded and what Portland really needs is a player that could step in and play the three.

If they really want to make a splash why not do a trade like this......

Darius Miles
Zach Randolph

for

Richard Jefferson
Jason Collins

You'd get rid of Miles and bring in a decent player to play the three and another big role player for the front line. I have a hunch that KP has a man crush on Mags and is going to do whatever he can to keep him. I wouldn't be suprised if he signs him to an extension.

Just random thoughts by HOWIE here........you can rip me on it, but you really have to give up something to get something done. Would it be a good trade? BUT it would rid Portland of Miles.

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