crandc

Disgusting lyrics? You mean like the Rolling Stones with "scarred old slaver knows he's doing all right, hear him whip the women just around midnight." Oh wait, they are not that "subculture", are they?

Because, to call things by their right names, it is not just poor black athletes who act contemptuously to women. Kobe Bryant grew up rich and in a strong family, right? What about John Rocker? White, Christian, went to bible schools. How about Larry Bird and (hell, just spaced on the name, former Red Sox with a road wife), white, Christian? Fact is, men with strong mothers may not have any fathers at all and respect women because they respect their mothers. Some men respect their strong mothers but no other women. Some bible thumping men hate and excoriate women. Some irreligious men are strongly pro-feminist. Most liberals, however, at least in theory support equality for women.

Racism only applies if what you mean, and clearly you do, is that this is something that Black men who are not Christian do, but that white men and Black Christians do not do.

Hey, do you know, when the Houston Rockets won their second title they celebrated at one of those clubs where naked women writhe on the laps of fully clothed men. All the Rockets, including Clyde, married, single, black, white, with one exception. The exception was Hakeem Olajuwon because his Muslim faith prohibits physical contact with any woman not his wife. Of course so did the faith of the married Christian players but it did not stop them. So maybe it is Koran-thumpers who don't behave in this way?

Fork

Anywhoooo...back to basketball.

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hoojacks

Perhaps you should of also quoted iWatas.

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Man I never thought I'd say this but, lets get rid of em'! I've finally realized(it has obviously taken me longer than others) that we just need to get rid of Miles and Zbo! When we dumped bonzi and sheed I was upset. I now see that it was nessasary in order for this organization and city to move forward. I've always kinda just said,"oh well" when I'd here about this kind of stuff. Now with the great strides that the team has taken in the last few months trying to overhaul it's image, I've had enough. I like gangstas as much as the next guy(Ice Cube, Sheed, Q. Woods, Mike Rice)but enough is enough! We have to bite the bullet, and just get rid of these guys.
I'm not a fan of addition by subtraction, but I think that should be our next move. The trade value of the 2 aforementioned gangstas is obviously at it's lowest point, but we should be able to get some sort of value. If not, suck it up and move on. We have alot of young and impressionable young men on this squad, and this type of situation can only hurt the club. ADDITION BY SUBTRACTION!!!!

barfo

This is of course correct, but why should anyone care? Zbo does not represent the city of Portland, and anyone who forms a negative opinion of a city because of a professional basketball player who plays there is a moron.

There are a lot of morons out there, I agree, but we should be happy they think badly of Portland, maybe that will keep them away. We've got enough morons here already.

I would like to use the word "moron" a few more times in this post, but I'm too much of a moron to think of any more on this.

barfo

9diamonds

I thought this would b his year

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Iwatas

Typical liberal response -- anecdotal stories to try to ignore overwhelming evidence that kids from good families tend to be better people, more successful spouses and parents, etc. I won't even start on the ridiculous example of muslims treating women with respect. Have you seen the instructional videos on Saudi television which explain to a man how to beat his wife so that he doesn't break any bones and she can still do the chores? Can you imagine such a thing even on PBS?

But my point is even simpler: you wrote that it is our society that does not respect women. But this is not true -- only *some* segments of society treat women like dirt. And these segments are identifiable. It is not hard to correlate convicted rapists with lousy families or certain subcultures. Don't blame society or men in general for the way some people behave.

iWatas

MARIS61

Let me again take this opportunity to thank said concerned fans for our pathetic record and high-school level talent pool.

Zach is our only decent PF, and until we can replace him with comparable TALENT, I'm fine with him.

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Fork

Anywhoooo....back to basketball.

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sa1177

Duly noted...I suggest you go root for the team at the Oregon State Pen. they got some great ballers down there.

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AudieNorris

If I did the things Zach has done, I'd no longer have a job. Zach should be traded since he can't be fired.


Segments of society do not treat women like dirt. Individuals do. It spans all political parties, classes, races, and religions. To try to put a conservative/liberal spin on this issue is not responsible.

Ed O

No they don't. I think that you would make this kind of comment shows how weak your position is.

I root for NBA-level basketball players. Their skill level is my priority.

You root for people that "represent the city" and claim that how their reputation is impacted is more important than how their ability to help the team win is affected.

I'm rooting for a sports team, and you're rooting for a bunch of men (that you don't know personally) to live up to some sort of good person standard...

If one of us should go find another team to root for, I think that you could find a team of nicer guys that play basketball much more easily than I could find a team of guys that play basketball at a higher level that are nice.

Ed O.

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Ed O

I don't know what you do, but if you were one of the top 100 people in the world at what you do in an industry that generates billions of dollars in revenue, I would guess you'd still have a job.

Ed O.