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FeloniusThunk · 08-21-2006, 09:08 PM

On KATU it's now saying that the call to 911 happened 3 days after the "incident", and that there was a request to ZR for money. This is sounding a lot like simple extortion, a familiar peril of wealthy athletes. I guess we'll find out more, but that would make ZR an innocent man (paying women to act hot isn't my cup of tea, but then neither is golf).

I hope that whoever is being or was harmed by this is fairly treated. By us the fans and the legal system.

It's_GO_Time · 08-21-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

That's a perfect example of why he DOES need an attorney. If the police ask him questions, he should know when to answer and when not to... if he didn't commit a crime, but one did take place, by remaining silent he could get into trouble. Law enforcement might ask him questions, of course, that he's not obligated to answer, and having an attorney helps him protect himself while also doing his legal duties.
Ed O.

I don't agree. Zach is under no obligation to speak to the police. If he was not invovled in a crime in anyway, it would be simple to instruct him that should the police wish to question him, he should respectfully decline, letting the police know he does not wish to speak with them while the investigation is pending. He CANNOT get into trouble by refusing to speak with the police during an investigation.

So by remaining silient, he won't put his foot in his mouth and it won't get printed in the press that he has retained an attorney.

Mr. Chuck Taylor · 08-21-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I don't agree. Zach is under no obligation to speak to the police. If he was not invovled in a crime in anyway, it would be simple to instruct him that should the police wish to question him, he should respectfully decline, letting the police know he does not wish to speak with them while the investigation is pending. He CANNOT get into trouble by refusing to speak with the police during an investigation.

So by remaining silient, he won't put his foot in his mouth and it won't get printed in the press that he has retained an attorney.

Uh, didn't Zach narrowly avoid getting in trouble for keeping his mouth shut in his brother's nightclub shooting incident a few years back? I think Zach should have a lawyer involved regardless of his level of involvement here. I don't see the downside of having a lawyer to consult with, and it's not like he can't afford one.

wastro · 08-21-2006, 09:21 PM

I'm going to withhold judgement until something is proven, but considering that Randolph has a record of bad judgement in the past, it doesn't look good.

But three days later? A request for money? That doesn't look good, either.

FeloniusThunk · 08-21-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

So by remaining silient, he won't put his foot in his mouth and it won't get printed in the press that he has retained an attorney.

In another world, I'm guessing you would have said this:

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Originally Posted by alternate_version

So by retaining an attorney, he won't put his foot in his mouth and it won't get printed in the press that he has remained silent.

Given such a lose-lose result, I'd go with having an attorney.

Mr. Chuck Taylor · 08-21-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I don't agree. Zach is under no obligation to speak to the police. If he was not invovled in a crime in anyway, it would be simple to instruct him that should the police wish to question him, he should respectfully decline, letting the police know he does not wish to speak with them while the investigation is pending. He CANNOT get into trouble by refusing to speak with the police during an investigation.

So by remaining silient, he won't put his foot in his mouth and it won't get printed in the press that he has retained an attorney.

I believe not giving the police information you know about a crime is called "aiding and abetting" and is very much a crime.

It's_GO_Time · 08-21-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FeloniusThunk

On KATU it's now saying that the call to 911 happened 3 days after the "incident", and that there was a request to ZR for money. This is sounding a lot like simple extortion, a familiar peril of wealthy athletes. I guess we'll find out more, but that would make ZR an innocent man (paying women to act hot isn't my cup of tea, but then neither is golf).

I hope that whoever is being or was harmed by this is fairly treated. By us the fans and the legal system.

You say you want whoever is harmed to be treated fairly. I'm assuming that means holding off judgment until the facts are in. But in the same post you quickly call this a case of simple extortion and Zach is innocent.

If a woman was truly sexually assualted, are you treating her fairly?

It's_GO_Time · 08-21-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Chuck Taylor

I believe not giving the police information you know about a crime is called "aiding and abetting" and is very much a crime.

It's not aiding and abetting to not give police information after the crime has been committed.

"ORS 161.155 Criminal liability for conduct of another.
A person is criminally liable for the conduct of another person constituting a crime if:

(1) The person is made criminally liable by the statute defining the crime; or

(2) With the intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the crime the person:

(a) Solicits or commands such other person to commit the crime; or

(b) Aids or abets or agrees or attempts to aid or abet such other person in planning or committing the crime; or

(c) Having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the crime, fails to make an effort the person is legally required to make."

If the crime has already happened, it is not illegal to refuse to speak with the police. It law enforcement's job to put the case together and you do not have to help them with their job.

I orginally said that in normal situations, I agree that you should get an attorney if you are being investigated. But when you are in the public eye, I wouldn't jump to get an attorney . . . unless you want to help the police or are involved even in a minimal way.

It's_GO_Time · 08-21-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FeloniusThunk

In another world, I'm guessing you would have said this:

Given such a lose-lose result, I'd go with having an attorney.

I don't get that post. I say what my opinion is. So why would I say something different in another world? What other world are you talking about?

It's_GO_Time · 08-21-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Chuck Taylor

Uh, didn't Zach narrowly avoid getting in trouble for keeping his mouth shut in his brother's nightclub shooting incident a few years back?

Just the opposite . . . he almost got indicted for lying to the police.

FeloniusThunk · 08-21-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

You say you want whoever is harmed to be treated fairly. I'm assuming that means holding off judgment until the facts are in. But in the same post you quickly call this a case of simple extortion and Zach is innocent.

No, I didn't. I said "This is sounding a lot like simple extortion". I don't know the truth yet and am withholding judgement, but it doesn't sound so good for the woman at this point (innocent victims don't ask for money first and go to the police second).

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If a woman was truly sexually assualted, are you treating her fairly?

If she was, then I sure hope our legal system treats her fairly and ZR gets his just punishment. If she was assaulted, though, then either the extortion attempt is either flat wrong (and I have been misled) or will require some pretty incredible explanation.

FeloniusThunk · 08-21-2006, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

I don't get that post. I say what my opinion is. So why would I say something different in another world? What other world are you talking about?

You honestly believe that ZR would not be condemned the same way if he had refused to talk to the police? It's easy enough to say that he sounds suspicious for hiring a lawyer, right? Wouldn't it be just as suspicious if he refused to talk to the police?

Mr. Chuck Taylor · 08-21-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiss_My_Darius

Just the opposite . . . he almost got indicted for lying to the police.

Ah yes, you are correct. But this is all the more reason for Zach to hire a lawyer just the same.

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