barfo

But, Gunner had a source and named his source (not explicitly, but it only took me a couple of minutes to find it after Gunner posted - there aren't that many Blazer pornsites, er, I mean messageboards).

And, if it was not ok to post about it after one guy on a messageboard mentioned it, is it still not ok to post about it now? Do TV news crews and the Oregonian reporting it somehow make the story more true? Is Iavaroni the coach of the Blazers?

Maybe we shouldn't talk about it until after he's convicted, after all, innocent until proven otherwise, right? But then the conviction could always be overturned on appeal, possibly many years from now. So to be on the safe side maybe we better not ever speak of this again.

barfo

furball

One of the best parts of this message board is the rumors. I think we all have an obligation to post any rumor we hear. We all know who gives legit rumors and those that just waste our time. Verdict? SA1777= Good. Gunner= Good. Zidane/Chromezilla= Not so good. Rumor it up boys. I surely don't come to this board to read board nerds discussing politics.

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Oldmangrouch

A little history lesson.

Some years ago, NFL star Michael Irvin was accused of rape. Because Irvin had been in trouble before (drugs) everyone just assumed he was guilty. There were just two teeny-tiny problems.......

A) No rape happened. The woman had consensual sex with a buddy of Irvin, who even videotaped the event.

B) Irvin wasn't even in the same hotel suite when the sex took place.

Of course, most of the folks who rushed to crucify Irvin never expressed any remorse. He had "history" and he had "questionable friends", so he was asking for it.

Before some of you stick your feet in your mouth, you might want to spread a little mustard on those toes.

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Ed O

Zach's going to know that he can simply say, "No thanks" to the police? If they call and ask him to come down to the station, he says ... what? If they come in a police car to take him to the station, he says ... what?

Is he supposed to rely on "Law and Order" reruns? Or posts on this board?

Or is going to know based on the the Oregon criminal code that his criminal culpability is limited as a potential accessory? And is he sure that there's not going to be any federal charges where accessory after the fact is a possibility?

I think it's absolutely crazy to risk this sort of thing without an attorney. PR is nice and all, but he's going to get paid whether some fans think he's guilty or not... unless he goes to jail, and his chances of winding up there are a lot better if he doesn't have an attorney.

I fail to see ANY upside to not getting an attorney beyond making some rush-to-judgment fans perhaps feel more inclined to think him innocent. The downside, of course, is tremendous.

Ed O.

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handclap problematic

I would have to agree with you, Ed, on pretty much all points.
You will find that most human beings, and especially those of the young type, do not know much about stte and federal law. And, one, under these circumstances, would probably feel a lot safer having an attorney to help them through the process. Only good can come from having proper legal council. The attorney can help Zach through the endlessly confusing legal process. I will not make comments about Zach's innocents or lackthereof, but I can find no fault in getting some legal council.

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BlazerFan22

Sounds like Gunner may not have been pulling are chains after all. Zach Randolph was involved in sexual assault investigation. I really hope this is not true. I was never a huge fan of ZBo yet I exepted him on the team. If it is true though I want him gone.

Anonymous Gambler

If this allegation looks even as true as the allegation against Kobe did, then I say we have to get rid of Zach. Too many of us just can't root for someone like that.

Zach and Dixon for Jalen Rose would be a dump that would work even with heavy charges against Zach.

I really hope it's unfounded, though.... Zach seems like a fairly good kid, at least, I'd like to believe so.

Gunner

Actually I'm not real happy about being vindicated in this,but thanks for the support and the IMs. As I said ad nauseum I wouldn't have posted in the first place if I hadn't thought it and the source credible. I seriously would have rather had my credibility take a hit,than the Blazer rep that has been making some strides towards respectability in the last couple months. I posted originally in a little hissy fit of frustration,anger and disgust,that all that either doesn't seem to be sinking in with one of the team members or it doesn't matter. As far as Portland and Oregon both go,the hometeam sports figures are the closest thing we have to celebrities and the Blazers of course are the highest profile. Anybody else that gets stopped for street racing, are most likely going to get a ticket,go home and its never heard of again. But with these guys its headline news. Everything they do,good or bad reflects on the team,and the org., & also affects the fan base in this case in a negative manner. Anyone want to lay odds on it being front page news tomorrow?
That aside giving him the benefit of the doubt, if a rape took place, if Zach's involvement was only as a witness, & to be a witness,you'd think he must have been aware of what was going on. So he let it happen,didn't try to stop it,report it? Would'nt that itself make him an accessory?
"1 a : a person not actually or constructively present but contributing as an assistant or instigator to the commission of an offense -- called also accessory before the fact b : a person who knowing that a crime has been committed aids or shelters the offender with intent to defeat justice -- called also accessory after the fact." ETA I just noticed that Ed O brought that up earlier.
As of yet, I haven't read anything other than whats on Sportsline,but I'd sure like to read the police report & alleged victims statement. I'll be checking "The Smoking Gun" site for updates.
Being a mature adult and a concerned Blazer fan,it would be extremely juvenile and immature for me to say anything regarding the doubters but on the other hand...









I TOLD YA SO!!!

You didn't really think I wasn't going to do that did ya?

ryanjend22

psssh....no rape.

let the birds fly, thats how these females act when they mess with athletes. i feel bad for randolph, and any later legal anxieties could not be good for his on court performance. bad situation all around.


however i would bet its all fabricated dumbness. money hungry people, haters, whatever you wanna call em. just another case of that.

ScottVdub

i remember that. it happened during the playoffs and it was possibly a distraction that ended the cowboys season. A couple weeks later the woman who accused michael irvin and i forget what offensive lineman of rape turned herself in for being a liar and she got arrested. I remember an Irvin quote saying "i had 100 women one night a few months ago, why do i need to rape 1"

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MemphisX

When you make the kind of money Zach makes, you should have your attorney on line for even a traffic stop. Millionaires are just lawsuit magnets and I wouldn't do anything re: the police without an attorney, regardless of my guilt or innocence. There are plenty of innocent men in the pokey.

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mgb

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but I just heard on local morning news that Zach paid two women to put on a show having sex with each other? Which they said isn't illegal in Oregon. And them someone force themselves on one of the women?

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mediocre man

This from zach's lawyer. Perhaps the best attempt at spin doctoring I have ever seen.