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Ed O

He WANTS a tuna fish sandwich.

Man... making stuff up about people is kind of liberating.

I agree that Zach being a follower is just backseat pop psychological spin by some fans, but that he's a bad person and a master criminal seems just as absurd.

Ed O.

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Reep

So I guess we are "following" the closed thread?

(oops, it is back open again)

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Ed, do you really believe that there is no distraction factor from frequently being in trouble, but never being arrested? I guess I don't see a bright line here. Yeah, if Zach was charged and found guilty, that would certainly affect the team. However, just being charged and not found guilty also distracts the team. And, just being associated with illicit activity, with no charges, can also be a distraction. Even in situations where you did nothing illegal, but you bring down the reputation of your team by your actions (and get the frown from management) you still negatively impact the team.

Do I think we should trade Zach because of what we know about this incident? No. However, I would certainly be looking for trade opportunities because I don't think anyone can walk that close to the line without eventually stepping over it. And once he steps over it, it's too late to do anything constructive.

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blakeback

You started a new thread for this? Let me guess... because you thought you'd get more responses than if you just posted it in the big Zach thread?


Where was Miles? Who cares?

He WANTS to do these illegal activities? What illegal activities did he do?

sa1177

Really...here is a hypothetical question for you then. Would you want your kids hanging out with a guy who had been repeatedly accused of sexually molesting children...yet never convicted?

The tpye of people i respect and view as "good people" don't go around getting accused of sexual assualt. IMO we don't need that type on this team.

I mean seriously WTF was Zach doing getting two hookers/stripper to perfrom a live sex show for him and his friends in a downtown Hotel Room?

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ebott

If I were a young, dumb, rich kid like Zach I would have my lawer with me at all times.

Samuel

Is that the litmus test for sports teams now? "I'll support X team only if I would allow my kids (or hypothetical ones) to 'hang out with them'."

Sheed30

Zach did not do any illegal activities. He used very poor judgment. He should not have put himself in that position. But until all the facts come out, we can't jump to conclusion. It's very possible a couple of things could happen.

First of all, the person making the claim could be lying just to get money.

Also, it could be that Zach's friend was the one who made the sexually assault, and Zach was a witness.

Or worse case scenario, is Zach could be involved in the assault himself, which would be a very bad thing.

But until all the facts come out, people shouldn't jump to conclusion. It could very well be that Zach isn't charged with anything, but yet his image is damaged just with his name associated with the case. Unfair like Canzono said today? I guess we'll find out soon enough

Blazer Ringbearer

I'm not in the least bit upset, I just called it like I saw it... excuse the asterisks.

If you were in Zach's situation, guilty or innocent, I think you'd hire an attorney, and that's why I called you on it. You can hold onto your naive beliefs when you're not a high profile basketball player in the midst of a potential charge, but if you were in that situation, you would make sure and get the best legal council you could to protect your millions.

Judge him for what he might have done or what he has done in the past - not for something so trivial as utilizing the legal system.

Oldmangrouch

So, innocent people never get wrongly accused of things? Oh wait, you said "good people". I guess you agree with the folks I refered to earlier - the ones who felt it was OK to falsely accuse Michael Irvin of rape because he had a drug problem.

Actually, Zach hasn't even been accused ......but why split hairs.

As for your hooker question........he is young, rich, not real bright, and hetrosexual. None of which are a crime.

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It's_GO_Time

You know I keep getting called naive on this. I've tried to show that I at least understand the legal system by citing to the aid and abet statute, by correcting posters about the whether it is a crime to refuse to speak with the police, by pointing out another situation where someone under investigation did not officially retain an atorney. I understand no one agrees and am willing to conceed that my opinion may be wrong (not the first time), but I am not naive about this topic.

And if you are about calling like you see it, Zach didn't hire Houze to protect his millions. Houze is soley a criminal defense attorney. Should the alleged victim try and sue Zach civilly for money, Zach would be hiring a completely different attorney. This isn't about saving millions, but rather making sure he doesn't get into criminal trouble.

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