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hasoos · 09-26-2006, 02:03 PM

I completely disagree. The only way the Blazers will start getting better is if they quit taking overpaid players off of other teams hands. I also believe that Zbo still has a lot more value around the league then being traded for expiring contracts, despite all his off court issues. The only place that really matters is here in Portland, you travel to any other city in the USA and if a player does something, 2 days later its not even a news item anymore. They would love to take Zbo off our hands for nothing. Miles, while not worth anything much, I would have no problem leaving him rotting on the bench for the rest of his career if he isn't going to play hard, rather then giving him a chance elsewhere. As for Lafrentz he may just be the big guy who doesn't complain about his minutes that every team needs.

Besides, who are the players you are assuming we are clearing cap space for? Chances are slim any of them would ever sign here, even if the money was available.

meru · 09-26-2006, 02:12 PM

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Besides, who are the players you are assuming we are clearing cap space for? Chances are slim any of them would ever sign here, even if the money was available.

Who are the "they" who won't sign? How do you know?
Besides, cap space isn't just for free agents - it's invaluable in trades these days, and you need to get ready to re-sign your own young players if they're any good.

Blazer Maven · 09-26-2006, 02:23 PM

I vote against that trade.

Let Zach prove himself and raise his value. Miles should be the 6th man on this team and should get 25-30/min a night.

Dumping Zach for cap space does nothing to improve the franchise at this point. Let this team gel for 40 games, then dump Zach if he does not return to the double double machine that he has been in the past.

Utherhimo · 09-26-2006, 02:30 PM

trade miles and jamaal together but lets wait till the season has a few weeks under its belt before trading.

mediocre man · 09-26-2006, 02:45 PM

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trade miles and jamaal together but lets wait till the season has a few weeks under its belt before trading.

We would have to according to the CBA. Jamaal can't be traded with another player until December sometime.

Kmurph · 09-26-2006, 03:01 PM

I don't like that trade per se...but I agree with Meru...I would like to see Zach dealt...

mediocre man · 09-26-2006, 03:18 PM

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I don't like that trade per se...but I agree with Meru...I would like to see Zach dealt...

Warning......This is not a slam against Nate

What Zach does is fit perfectly into Nate's system. He is a plodder, a mudder if you will. He bangs down low.....or used to before his knee injury, and is a slower paced type of player. Trading him really doesn't make a lot of sense unless Nate decides to speed his tempo up. There really aren't very many players in the NBA as good as Zach is in a slow paced offense. Defensively he is not good, but Przybilla and Magloire can back him up at the rim.

What's confused me the most is if Nate wanted to slow the pace down why did the team draft an extremely good athlete for his size in Aldridge instead of a slower guy who is great in the half court like Morrison?

ebott · 09-26-2006, 03:18 PM

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Who are the "they" who won't sign? How do you know?
Besides, cap space isn't just for free agents - it's invaluable in trades these days,

While it is true that cap space is useful for a number of reasons its primary use is still signing free agents. Take a look at the Available Free Agents for 2007 It ain't pretty. There's not one player on that list I would rather have than Zach.

I'm assuming your idea is that we could use our cap space to facilitate a trade for a player that is better than Zach Randolph. But much like free agency I just don't see that happening.

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and you need to get ready to re-sign your own young players if they're any good.

We will have bird rights to all of our young players. So we don't need cap space in order to re-sign them. Maybe we won't wanna go over the luxury tax to re-sign them but that's a bridge we can wait a few years to jump off of.

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Will somebody prove to me that Randolph actually helps us win games?

2003 first round playoff series against Dallas
3 games where Zach didn't start: 0-3
4 games where Zach did start: 3-1

If you wanna nit pick over numbers. Here they are.

Utherhimo · 09-26-2006, 03:43 PM

yeah that a pretty ugly looking fa list for 2007

and if we trade zbo raef and miles who else can we trade after they are gone to get a player better than zbo? no one!

this deal STINKS!

hasoos · 09-26-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by meru

Who are the "they" who won't sign? How do you know?
Besides, cap space isn't just for free agents - it's invaluable in trades these days, and you need to get ready to re-sign your own young players if they're any good.

Free agent players are on the move usually because they want a change of scenery and money. The exact scenery they are looking for is a wining atmosphere. The money they are shooting for is top dollar. Even if Portland cleared the space, they don't have a winning atmosphere at this time. How do I know? Experience. The good free agents who want to win a ring always gather to the good teams like Mosquitos near a bug zapper. They have already earned big money, they don't give a rip about it. They want a ring to seal their legacy.

As for the "They"...shouldn't you have a free agent target in mind before clearing cap space? Cap space in itself, is very little use actually. Does cap space get you wins? No. Does cap space make a few more trades possible? Yes, but it is very rarely the case that it actually helps that a little creative GMing can't work around anyhow.

As for the who and they who won't sign....Shouldn't you have had a target to use this cap space on before freeing it up? Its not much of a plan unless you have an end goal. Who was your target free agent(s)?

**Oldmangrouch** · 09-26-2006, 05:49 PM

If we make a conscious choice to tank the season, we get a 1-in-4 chance of getting Mr Oden. Even if we hit the jackpot, it won't matter much to some of us, who have no interest in rooting for the Las Vegas Blazers.

Time to stop whistling past the graveyard people! Community support for the team already sucks. Continuing on-court failure is not acceptable if this franchise is going to survive.

M3M · 09-26-2006, 06:13 PM

We need to keep zach, it doesnt make much sense to trade zach after we traded telfair. Trading telfair shows that we are going to build this team right now around Zach. Not saying he is a franchise player, but he is the best we have at this point.

**HispanicCausinPanic** · 09-26-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mediocre man

Warning......This is not a slam against Nate

What Zach does is fit perfectly into Nate's system. He is a plodder, a mudder if you will. He bangs down low.....or used to before his knee injury, and is a slower paced type of player. Trading him really doesn't make a lot of sense unless Nate decides to speed his tempo up. There really aren't very many players in the NBA as good as Zach is in a slow paced offense. Defensively he is not good, but Przybilla and Magloire can back him up at the rim.

What's confused me the most is if Nate wanted to slow the pace down why did the team draft an extremely good athlete for his size in Aldridge instead of a slower guy who is great in the half court like Morrison?

See, you are starting to warm up to Nate. In the past you would have not prefaced your tirade with a warning. This shows that you are sensitive to Nate's feelings.

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