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trifecta · 05-17-2003, 02:05 PM

Sheed- Gone
Bonzi- Gone
Damon- Gone
Patterson- Gone
Anderson- Here
Pippen- Here
Woods- Here
Davis- Here
Daniels- Here
Randolph- Here
McInnis- Gone

That might be a little much but I would be up for it. The one caveat is that when I say 'gone', I don't mean 'firesale' gone, I mean 'reasonable trade' gone. The only player I see as potentially 'firesale' gone could be Patterson if ZR and RP can't resolve their differences.

Ed O · 05-17-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Public Defender!

Two questions - Ed O... do you have Sheed staying or going? Based on your past posts, I'm going to assume you've got him staying.

Yeah... man, I wasn't paying very close attention when I was typing out that post, it seems.

I am of the camp that Wallace has more value to the team than anything he would bring in return. I am NOT opposed to trading him generally; I think that if we could get a young guy and/or an upgrade at another position moving Wallace would be fine since we have ZR and they both play the 4. (It's the same reason I am not opposed to trading either DA or Bonzi.)

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Also just wondering - I've got Daniels and McInnis reversed in terms of who stays and who goes. I see McInnis as part of what's wrong with the team in terms of attitude - plus his best friend on the team was Wallace who I believe will be leaving... Daniels I thought proved himself to be a very capable defender and a good offensive option when he got the chance - plus his dunk over Kirilenko was the stuff of legend.

A nice dunk, indeed. McInnis is a better player than he showed last year; I think he'll settle into a role and be pretty effective. He's also signed for 2 more seasons, while AD is a FA, so letting AD go is an easier thing to do than getting value for McInnis.

I don't buy that McInnis's attitude had any significant negative impact last year. Every game that I remember the bench cheering and getting really excited, McInnis was either on the court or one of the first off the bench to celebrate. That can't be said of the whole team (*coughDamon*).

AD also has gone another entire year without playing significant minutes at the 1 position. I don't understand WHY he hasn't been playing the PG--it's either a lack of skill or a lack of motivation-- but at this point, a pattern has been established and AD is just an undersized 2 guard. Considering the PG spot is our weakest area and 2 is arguably our strongest (Wells, AD and Woods) letting AD go just makes sense to me.

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However, I did like McInnis' ability to drive and pull up for those 8-10 foot jumpers and his going-glass bank shots. I'm not really committed either way, but Daniels struck me as the more athletic and more versatile of the two, and the more positive guy in the locker room.

You totally might be right... he IS definitely more athletic and, if he can play the 1 more than he did last year, he is more versatile.

Ed O.

ABM · 05-17-2003, 02:45 PM

Sheed- Here
Bonzi- Here
Damon- Gone
Patterson- Here
Anderson- Here
Pippen- Here
Woods- Here
Davis- Here
Daniels- Here
Randolph- Here
McInnis- Here
Sabonis - Here
GP - Here

That's 12. (Boom-Boom = IR........covering a Sabonis and/or D-Squared injury)

This team needs to GEL together. Paradoxically, year after year, that's been T-Bob's trademark, as well as downfall - moving meaningful players in and out of the system.

OK, reality says that the new GM will want to put his own stamp on the team, so what I want and what we get will, most likely, be a study in mootology.

At any rate, regardless of what we read in the rags, I think these guys genuinely get along. I also believe that Ruben and Zach will bury the hatchet and let bygones be bygones. (BTW, what about that report that said Ruben was going to "hunt Zach down" upon the conclusion of the season??).

Again, other than Damon, along with Pips health concerns, I think this team has a real chance to contend next season. Let's see how it plays out - for once.

One Note: Hopefully, Bonzi will take the summer to get in excellent playing shape. I think he got a little lazy last year while waiting to sign his deal. As well, Sheed needs to hit the gym. I saw some clips of him from the 1999-2000 year. I think that's the most buff I've ever seen him. Not surprisingly, it was one of his most productive seasons, too. Big hope, but, nonetheless............

blazerbraindamage · 05-17-2003, 02:48 PM

Sheed- Gone
Bonzi- Gone
Damon- GONE !!!!!!!!!
Patterson- Gone
Anderson- Either/or
Pippen- Here
Woods- Here
Davis- Either/or...leaning towards Here ...just depends on how stuff goes
Daniels- Either/or
Randolph- HERE !!!!!!!!
McInnis- Either/or
Sabonis- HERE !!!!!!!!
Ruben BB- Here

Ed O · 05-17-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by ABM!

One Note: Hopefully, Bonzi will take the summer to get in excellent playing shape. I think he got a little lazy last year while waiting to sign his deal. As well, Sheed needs to hit the gym. I saw some clips of him from the 1999-2000 year. I think that's the most buff I've ever seen him. Not surprisingly, it was one of his most productive seasons, too. Big hope, but, nonetheless............

I think that we will learn more about Bonzi's future early this next season than we have since his second year in the NBA (when he got a chance to play and showed that he COULD be a good player). That was the 99-00 season ABM mentioned above.

In 00-01, before hurting his knee, I'd say he played his best basketball offensively. He shot 53.3% from the floor. He's improved his all-around game a bit (improved rebounding, free-throwing and perimeter shooting), but he hasn't been as efficient as he was that year.

The Summer before last, he was rehabbing his knee. Last Summer he was probably sitting on his butt waiting to get a contract signed (which is NOT a sign of laziness or anything, IMO; if he were working out/playing ball and blew his knee out again without having a contract, it would cost him millions, and maybe tens or millions, of dollars).

This Summer: no excuses. He knows what he needs to do to improve his game (get into best possible shape, work on his free throws and his perimeter game). If he comes into camp in-shape and focused, it will show that he's serious about improving and taking the next step up as a player. If he comes into camp pudgy and/or rusty, he's going to remind a lot of people of how Wallace's game has generally stagnated over the course of the last couple of years.

For Bonzi's sake, and for the sake of the Blazers, I hope Wells has his head on straight and takes things seriously this off-season.

Ed O.

ABM · 05-17-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by Ed O!
.....Last Summer he was probably sitting on his butt waiting to get a contract signed (which is NOT a sign of laziness or anything, IMO; if he were working out/playing ball and blew his knee out again without having a contract, it would cost him millions, and maybe tens or millions, of dollars).

OK, perhaps "lazy" was a bit strong. But, I had heard he wasn't even hitting the weights. Hard to blow out a knee doing that.

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This Summer: no excuses.........For Bonzi's sake, and for the sake of the Blazers, I hope Wells has his head on straight and takes things seriously this off-season.Ed O.

Exactly.

Hey, Ed....it amazes me sometimes...you know, with the amount of money these guys make.....that they don't have a personal trainer sitting on their collective butts 1 month out of the summer.

On a different note, I think the players association has been one of the main culprits in fostering that certain "laziness" amongst the ranks. Too much cush, not enough push (to get better.).

Ed O · 05-17-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by ABM!

OK, perhaps "lazy" was a bit strong. But, I had heard he wasn't even hitting the weights. Hard to blow out a knee doing that.

I didn't mean to counter anything you said (if you said lazy, that's not something I agree with, but I was just making a general statement)... I think it's smart to do almost literally NO exercise until you're under contract.

Running a treadmill, lifting weights, almost anything, can potentially result in a serious injury. Even if there's just a 1% chance of it happening, it's probably not worth it from the player's perspective. Of course, from the team's perspective, it IS worth it, because if the player gets hurt they can either not sign him or get him more cheaply... but if he doesn't get hurt, he'll be in better shape.

Ed O.

ABM · 05-17-2003, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Ed O!
....I think it's smart to do almost literally NO exercise until you're under contract.

Running a treadmill, lifting weights, almost anything, can potentially result in a serious injury. Even if there's just a 1% chance of it happening, it's probably not worth it from the player's perspective.....

I hope D-Squared disagrees with that remark. Something tells me that he would - thus, continuing to chisel himself while awaiting a deal/trade to be consummated.

But, that's just our Dale................

**Minstrel** · 05-17-2003, 04:16 PM

I think Bonzi Wells' biggest problem has been the move to small forward.

He's a slightly above average small forward, but a well above average shooting guard. In fact, he was a true rising star at shooting guard. At shooting guard, he can dominate defenders with his size, kill them in the post, without giving up a quickness edge.

Against small forwards, he loses most of his size edge, so it's an even battle. His talent makes him better than the average small forward, but his size is no longer a decisive factor. Result: less scoring inside and from the post, more perimeter shooting, lower field goal percentage.

Derek Anderson coming to Portland may be a net negative if he continues to force Bonzi out of his best position. Either Anderson needs to be a bench player, or expect Wells to continue to be a slightly above average player who never duplicates his earlier success. Whether he works out with weights or not.

**Tom** · 05-17-2003, 04:18 PM

Sheed- who cares
Bonzi- gone
Damon- gone
Patterson- no one will take him
Anderson- Here
Pippen- Gone
Woods- Here
Davis- gone
Daniels- Gone
Randolph- awesome
McInnis- Here

Yega1979 · 05-17-2003, 08:23 PM

Sheed- down
Bonzi- down
Damon- down
Patterson- can stay as a backup
Anderson- down
Pippen- down
Woods- up
Davis- down
Daniels- up
Randolph- up up
McInnis- fine as a backup IMO

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