Trader Ed

There seems to many ideas running around for Trading Sheed here or there...

So if you could trade Sheed and whatever it takes as filler to make a trade for a top pick #1 - 5 or so (e.g. Carmelo Anthony and ?) in return...

would you do it....?

It can be assumed you will get another player of better than average talent back as well along with the draft pick... just due to the $$ values of the players to be swapped. Sheed makes $14.8 mill now...


[Edited: to remove the draft pick salary reference]

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Just as an FYI, a draft pick doesn't count as any monetary value when involved in a trade.

As far as the poll: a firm "maybe". I'm not nearly as high on Anthony as a lot of folks around here, and I'm not nearly as down on Wallace, but it'd STILL be tempting.

Ed O.

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gambitnut

I agree with you about both Wallace and Anthony. I'm very high on Anthony but I'm also high on Woods and I'm not convinced that Anthony wouldn't cut into his playing time. I also very high on Wallace and wouldn't want to trade him for someone who might be as good but might not be as well. I voted no but I still might do it if I was really intrigued by the other player(s) we got in the deal.

By the way, I couldn't help but laugh while I was writing that I'm "high" on Wallace and Woods!

Trader Ed

Are you sure? I thought I remembered reading it did in the CBA...

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#41

Upon his being drafted his salary counts toward the team cap. And when signed his actual value counts of course....

So why would a specified draft pick not count as $ just because its not assigned to a name?

just curious for my personal learning curve...

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A player counting against the cap and counting in terms of trade value are different things.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#69

Ed O.

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HOWIE

We all seem to agree that he is going, I wonder if it is a Blockbuster deal or darft day move. When can they start talking trades, July 1st? How does that work with draft day trades?

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Vintage

First of all, why would anyone would trade Carmelo, a top 3 pick, for Rasheed?

To get Carmelo, a team needs to be bad. Lets get that right from the get go. I mean, how else could they get him? You are in the lottery for a reason.

Teams that draft in the top 3 are looking for the future. Explain to me why Denver, Cleveland, or Miami(most likely top picks) would want to get older? Denver is counting on the future and cap room. Rasheed ruins both of that. Cleveland is much the same. Miami wants young players and good veteran players. Yes, Rasheed is a veteran. But Rasheed is someone Riley wouldn't want on his team........Rasheed's antics would drive him nuts.

I cannot see Portland being able to trade Rasheed for a top 3 pick. Teams know that Portland WANTS to DUMP HIM. That means that teams wont overpay for him.

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Kmurph

There is nothing that annoys me more, as the NBA draft nears as the word POTENTIAL, that OVER VALUED word that causes SO MANY posters on thes boards to say their #4 pick and the rights to C.Bosh are worth SO MUCH MORE than ANY PLAYER outside of Shaq, Kobe. Duncan, McGrady and AI, I swear the majority of posters on these boards are REALLY living in fantasy land.


It happens every year, and I should expect it, but nevertheless it still ANNOYS me to no end. I mean when someone can post that Wallace isn't worth garbage, you just have to shake your head at the complete idiocy of the poster. Are there any intelligent people on thes boards? I guess we can take solace in the fact that GM's in the NBA have a COMPLETELY different take on Wallace's value. The fact that anyone could post that a player who hasn't even stepped foot into the NBA is a better player NOW, than Wallace, is complete devoid of any intelligence whatesoever.

Sorry, I had to post this rant.

Petey

Hes worth much more next year then this, when his contract gets off the books.

And what a big contract too.

-Petey

antibody

I would have to agree with you Vintage. Portland will not be able to trade Wallace for a very high draft pick. I don't even think Portland would do it myself. There is no player in the draft that would play as well as Wallace...period. There would have to be more than that to do a deal.

Vintage

Potential is what the past drafts have all been about? Have you not witnessed it?

Take a look, shall we?
Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Pau Gasol- 2001
Yao Ming, Amare Stoudamire, Nene Hilario- 2002

Teams that are rebuilding have now gone the route of finding players with potential, and lots of it. Or have you not been noticing it?

Rasheed isnt worth garbage. Maybe a little more. But why on earth would a team that is totally rebuilding on youth and potential want a 29 year old, 14 million dollar salary, PF that is a pain in the *** to deal with?

I never said Rasheed wasn't good. I just was saying rebuilding teams are rebuilding around YOUTH NOT VETERANS. OR HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THIS?!?!?!

I never said Carmelo Anthony was better than Rasheed. I said no team that is completely rebuilding would pass up on a young potential star for a troubled PF who has talent, but is getting paid 14 million and is a head case.

Teams have redesigned rebuilding plans. Chicago went to youth. Cleveland has gone to youth. As has Denver.

The only way I see Portland landing a top 3 pick for Rasheed is IF New York lands in the top 3. And by that, I mean the #3 pick with Milicic and James off the board. NY needs size and I could see tham trading for Rasheed. Other than that...............no.

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Qyntel's Shadow

I voted no. If Rasheed is traded at all before the start of next season, I think it will happen in late Summer, after the FA fracas as settled down. Once teams get an idea of who they really have to start the season, we may see Rasheed moved.I really don't think we'll see a draft day trade involving him. Mr. Allen indicated an evolutionary process, not an instantaeous one, regarding the changes to the team. I've stressed in other threads what Petey is stating: Rasheed's contract is worth more later. Via a S&T in the off-season next Summer there is more flexibility for all parties. At the end of this Summer, there will be interested parties, but Portland would have to take a longer-term contract that will probably not be consistent with the talent. Recognizing that there will probably not be a mid-season deal (tho, now that Bob's gone, can we really say that anymore?), Rasheed's expiring contract clearly has its greatest value near the deadline after he's played most of a contract year season. Trading him now would be like selling your Oracle stock the days following the market re-opening after 9/11 - you know it will rebound in value, you just have to be patient.
Will Rasheed work hard this season, for the payout next year? Maybe. Trading him now (to extend the stock metaphor) would be like selling your Oracle stock for an IPO company that got a good review in a trade rag, while taking on a bunch of 0 growth stock. I say stick with Oracle until someone starts waiving some GE (or something less sexy, but has definite upside) around with some riskier propositions added in.

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Trader Ed

Thank you ED.... I appreciate you clearing it up for me...



The idea of trading Wallace in a deal to obtain a high draft pick is not just for the pick. As it was said above in posts, no player in this years draft can do what Wallace does right away. So why do it?

As an example.. if we traded our pick and Wallace to Cleveland for their #3 pick and Ilgauskas and filler.... we get a center and a chance at someone like Carmelo Anthony for the long term....

or as Schilly? has proposed.... we send Wallace and other players to Toronto for essentially Antonio Davis and the high draft pick, once again to get someone like Anthony as a pick.... or whoever we need


its not a draft pick for Wallace trade.. it has to be much more than that... the CBA will not allow it otherwise.... and you would not want to do a draft pick for Wallace talent wise either

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tlong

There is no way in hell that any of the teams with the top 3 picks in this year's draft would trade their pick for Rasheed.

Ed O

Of course it's about potential. But how many of the teams who chose the players you listed have made the playoffs? The Suns and ... ?

Other than Kenyon Martin in NJ, no lottery player in the last 3 seasons has made an impact in the playoffs. Even going back to 1999, Baron Davis and Rip Hamilton are the only other guys who has done much in the postseason (the Suns have had Marion and Amare there, of course, but not too long, and Wally hasn't lit things up for the Wolves in the postseason, although he HAS been a contributor on a playoff team). And Hamilton isn't even with the team that drafted him anymore, so I'm not sure he really counts as having helped Washington too much.