Schilly

Zach played strong tonight, put up some good numbers. How good? Lets lok at how the team did with him on the floor compared to Brandon Roys impact on the floor.

Ok broken down points per Minute (points per 48)
Zach In 40 minutes
Por 2.08 (99.6)
GS 2.38 (114)

Zach Out
Por 2.85 (136.62)
GS 2.23 (107.08)

Offensive efficiency is up as is defensive efficiency...When Zach isn't on the floor.

Roy In 38 minutes
Por 2.29 (109.89)
GS 2.16 (103.58)

Roy Out
Por 2.07 (99.2)
GS 2.40 (115.20)

Complete opposite as Zach. Portland is far more efficient with Roy on the floor than without.

ThatBlazerGuy

Very interesting numbers. But, I still think without Zach this would not have been a game. Great to see a rookie have such a immediate impact.

Schilly

I think what they show is that the tempo picks up when he is not in the game...I'd imagine more posessions, more time on the shot clock when shots are taken....Now at the same time at the other end I think it shows that he doesn't help much on D as the other team scores more frequently when I would gather the tempo is up.

mediocre man

But he's our 18 wheeler Schilly? He's our reason we are slowing it down and getting run out of our own building in the beginning of the first and third quarters. Pound the ball, slow it down.

Actually before I get screamed at by Nate supporters, I will say that Zach played great tonight, and it's not his fault. It's just not a very efficient offense when you have both he and either Joel or Jamaal in the game. They should move Zach to center and play Travis at the 4, or utilize Zach and Raef a lot together. This team really needs to spread the floor offensively. It's a huge mistake to go the exact opposite of the rest of the league. This team will most likely be playing from behind early in games the entire season.



Even Barrett makes reference to what I've been saying in his post game blog. Says the team had an uphill battle the entire game because they got down so much in the first quarter, and that although Nate has preached about poundingthe ball inside the team showed it could get up and down the floor just fine. Said the Rose Garden was an exciting place to be, and people were standing on their feet.


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I do not know how you get your numbers and have no reason to question them, but I would like to know what the numbers would be if you project Roy out to 48 mins, and Zach down to 38 mins. Apples to apples when doing prob and stats.

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cpawfan

You are misreading the stats

1) Schilly converted all stats to points per 48 minutes

2) He lists that Zach played 40 minutes and Roy played 38 minutes

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[quote=cpawfan]You are misreading the stats

1) Schilly converted all stats to points per 48 minutes

2) He lists that Zach played 40 minutes and Roy played 38 minutes[/QUOTE

Thank-you then.

tradetheo

when the tempo is up, that means more turnovers. we don't have the guys for an uptempo game, way to many rookies or 2nd year guys at very important spots when it comes to fast break points. Just look at the pg, 2 guard and sf spots. we have jack/dickau, roy/webster, then outlaw and miles. who do you trust out of all of them. I'd say none, even though roy is going to be great, but he shouldn't be expected to be an allstar the 2nd game into preseason.

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cpawfan

Granted, it is a limited sample of game data, but even with increased turnovers, the opposing team is scoring less points than they were with Zach in the game

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Not only is this an absurdly small sample size of one game, it's an even MORE absurdly small sample size of, effectively, the 13 minutes of game that Zach didn't play in. Even smaller when you consider the fact that what this really measures is the time when Zach was on the court and Roy was not and vice versa. That's probably a total of 5-6 minutes. Over the course of that amount of time, ONE extra basket will swing the points per 48 number wildly in one direction or the other.

Now, consider the fact that Roy fouled out with 2 minutes left in the OT period, with the game tied, and the Blazers were outscored by 4 from there out...those twoi baskets account for the difference in their per 48 minute stats. Look at the lineup in that last 2 minutes: Zach, Outlaw, Rodriguez, Dixon and Dickau. You blame the guy who was left to fend for himself with that crew of losers? Are you serious?

I understand people hate Zach and want to shine a bad light on him...and maybe he deserves it sometimes...but this isn't one of them. Your numbers mean nothing considering what actually happened in the game.

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mook

could it also just be that it's easier for these kids to play playground ball because that's pretty much what they've done their whole life? therefore, a team that hasn't had much time to practice is going to play that style better.

a grind-it-out low post offense requires precision that comes with practice. everybody has to know their position, how to swing the ball, how to handle double teams. not terribly surprising that our team, in only their second game with 7 new players, doesn't seem to do that as smoothly.

I'm not saying that Schilly's necessarily wrong. I am saying that it's a little early to know one way or the other, given that the low post style Nate wants might take a little time for younger players to get down.

Dan

you aren't suggesting they played playground ball when zach was out, are you?

they played crisp ball when he was out (unless zendon hamilton touched the ball. good god, thats painful basketball).

how long are we going to wait before we realize zach isn't exactly a good fit for this team? till after he's traded and his new team "makes the playoffs"?

ball movement stops when he's in the game, and the offense becomes stangnent.

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I'm not a big Zach defender, but you have to have a low post presence and Zach is it.

I would argue that the reason we fell behind last night is because Magloire coughed up the ball more times than a lottery selection machine. Magloire may be rough and tumble, but Milwaukee fans will tell you straight out he's not really an offensive machine. Unless you use the other definition for offensive.

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