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Old 11-13-2006, 06:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

What about something like Zach for Rashard Lewis and Seattle's first-rounder?

If we think Aldridge can be the long-term answer at the 4, I could see this making some sense for both teams. Shard is a big step up from Ime at the 3; Seattle has needed interior scoring forever and Z-Bo and Ray Allen would make a nice 1-2 punch; picking up Seattle's #1 pick gives us a second ticket in the Oden lottery.

It's kind of a high-risk, high-reward trade for both teams so I doubt it would happen, but I'd certainly think long and hard about it if offered.

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Old 11-13-2006, 07:05 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

I would trade him for less than market value, include Miles in the deal and see if I could fleece someone out of a first round pick in 2007. You alway trade when the market value is high. I admire the way Zach has battled back from the knee injury. I think he has a wonderful work ethic but I just see him as a wonderful sixth man for scoring punch off the bench. I don't think he's a franchise player.

I also like my big guys to be long and tall like Aldridge.
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

This is a good time to get good value for Zach, but are we really going to get a better player than Randolph? I personally would not trade Zach for KG. Kevin has proved that he isnt the guy to take you deep in the playoffs, or even lead a team to a good record. He is getting old, and will only get worse.

As for Rashard Lewis, I dont think I would deal Zach for him either. This draft has many good SF's, with the potential to be as good or better than Lewis. Athletic SF's that can shoot are somewhat easy to find, post player that can shoot(decently, like ZBo) are much more rare.

Calling Zach a 6th man is a complete undervalue of what he brings. Where would this team be right now without Zach. It sure would not be close to 4-3. We need to build a winning atmosphere and dealing our best player, who is also our best scorer and post player for a shot a getting the 'next big thing'(Short of dealing ZBo for Oden) would likley end up much like the Chicago/LAC deal of Brand(Consitered a limited, short post player) for Chandler(Consitered the next cant miss, KG type talent). Big mistake.
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:16 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

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As for Rashard Lewis, I dont think I would deal Zach for him either. This draft has many good SF's, with the potential to be as good or better than Lewis. Athletic SF's that can shoot are somewhat easy to find, post player that can shoot(decently, like ZBo) are much more rare.
Agreed, I think Zach is better than Shard. But if Seattle threw in their first-rounder -- sure to be in the lotto, likely in the top 5 IMO -- then it becomes a pretty intriguing offer.

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Old 11-13-2006, 07:19 PM   #20 (permalink)
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sure to be in the lotto, likely in the top 5 IMO
It might be top 5 when Seattle's two best players are peremiter oriented swing men, but with a great shooter in Ray Allen and a great post player in Zach, do you really see them still having a top 5 chance. I personally dont.
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:26 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

A couple trades I'd make for Zach (my threshold for trading him) are:

Gerald Wallace + Charlotte's #1

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PJ Brown + Nocioni + NY's #1 pick
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

Those two trades I actually like. Kinda going against what I just said. Gerald Wallace would be an amazing fit on this team, and has the potential to be as good as AK47 if he is not already there. Nocioni is Nate's dream player. Not to mention we get very high picks in both deals. Good ideas.
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:59 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

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A couple trades I'd make for Zach (my threshold for trading him) are:

Gerald Wallace + Charlotte's #1

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PJ Brown + Nocioni + NY's #1 pick

Like that Chicago trade - makes a lot of sense.

I guess 5 is the number of games it takes to forget what a knucklehead a player is. Trade that guy asap, it's only a matter of time before he punches a "teammate" in the eye during an intimate session with paid performers, and then lies to the police about his friend trying to shoot someone at the same party.
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Old 11-13-2006, 08:00 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

That deal with Garnett is tempting IMO, but KG would never go for it with what is left on this team in terms of experience. If we had KG and Zach, with Aldridge in the wings, that would be another story.

Sending Zach to Seattle would be a sure bet to get them back in the playoffs. If we had a Ray Allen right now, we would probably be 6-1.

Saying Zach is bad a defense is almost unfair because he wears the opposition out on offense so that you can get away with just a mediocre defender to take care of them on the other end. Yes, Zach leaves much to be desired on defense, but his conditioning right now makes up for that.

Shard on the Blazers would be fantastic, but then we are really unset at the 4 even if Aldridge comes to be around.

IMO, we stay with Zach till the trade deadline in 2008 and get the piece we didn't get in the draft in 2007. Work a S&T or such with Dixon, Mags, Dickau, and maybe Outlaw to pull in another draft pick or move up. In all reality we have as much chance at getting Oden as the Raps had at getting the 1st pick this year. Wait to see and then make a move. Don't f*** with chemistry once you have it. Tweak it, but don't redo the whole formula!
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

One big aspect about the development of our young guys is the thought that they can actually win. Losing Zach right now would kill that.
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Old 11-13-2006, 08:23 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

No way I want to see Zach traded. He's been a leader on this team this season, and removing such an important piece would create a ton of locker room issues. He's too important to this team right now.
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Old 11-13-2006, 09:13 PM   #27 (permalink)
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If a player is such a bad guy in person that he's detrimental to the team, management would be in the right to trade him. Like most of the players I don't really know whats what with Zach, but certainly he's made some pretty poor decisions. Relative to all the other boneheads on the squad, is Zach really a bad guy? I don't know.

I do know the guy is healthy and playing the best ball of his career. While I'm enjoying cheering him on, I'm really a fan of the team above the player and I do believe in buying low selling high. I'd imagine that there will be conversations about Zach and every Blazer many times with many teams... boy snagging NY's #1 from Chicago sure is a nice thought. If he keeps up this rate of play he's certain to generate a lot of interest as we get closer to the trade deadline.

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Old 11-13-2006, 09:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

Guy's you're dreaming. NOBODY is going to trade an uprotected 2007 lottery pick for ANYONE on the Blazers roster. At the VERY least, it would be top three protected. Nobody is going to risk missing out on Greg Oden to land Zach Randolph, or even Brandon Roy. Zach's a good 4, and may even make the all-start team this year, but Oden is a once every 10 - 15 year kind of franchise changing talent. The only GM dumb enough to risk losing out on Oden is Isiah Thomas, and he's already shipped his pick off to the Bullls. John Paxson is WAY to smart to propogate Isiah's stupidity and give up that gift.

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Re: Is it time to trade Zach now?

I don't know what you guys have been smoking, but have you been watching Zach play??? If he keeps playing like this, we should ride his *** to the playoffs, not trade him. 30 and 11!! he is a BEAST.

With Roy and LA, we are poised to be a playoff team for YEARS to come, with ZBO a major part of that. I think Sergio will eventually supplant Jack, and hopefully Martell or Outlaw pan out, and we will have an All-Star at every position!!!

or not.
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John Paxson is WAY to smart to propogate Isiah's stupidity and give up that gift.
The same John Paxson who gave 32 year old Ben Wallace a 4 year 60 Mil deal? Off the top of my head that was probably the stupidest move of the offseason. I thought he was duped in his trade of #2 for Thomas and Victor too. If I was a Bulls fan I'd fear the worst.. but thats not what trading for Zach for an '07 lotto would be. They'd be contenders with a shot right now IMO. Ben, Zach, and Deng would be a very nice front line, and they've some decent guards too.

I doubt this is going to happen and I'm not even really advocating it... but it seems more plausible then most of the trade scenarios that get floated around here.

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