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ZBoFanatic · 11-30-2006, 12:10 PM

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Noah's family is already financially set, and he grew up in a much different climate than Oden did..so to compare the two isn't really valid. If I grew up with a famous father, and a famous mother, and a silver spoon in my mouth and then played college ball (and therefore, didn't NEED to go the nba for $$) I'd play another year. But like the rest of society, I didn't have a famous father or a famous mother or grew up with a silver spoon in my mouth.

How about Dwyane Wade or Brandon Roy or even Zach who was projected to go #2 on NBADraft.net after high school as the #1 high schooler in the nation? Of course, ZBo got the hell out of there because school wasn't for him and declared after a year where he didn't even start. Oden on the other hand is a bookworm and all you hear about is is grades and his SATs and his brains. All I'm saying is that he seems like a collegian and he may very well stay, within reason. Furthermore, Lawrence North is a school in a nice district in Indianapolis, I don't think his family is financially struggling, especially since he has a full ride.

**Dan** · 11-30-2006, 12:28 PM

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How about Dwyane Wade or Brandon Roy or even Zach who was projected to go #2 on NBADraft.net after high school as the #1 high schooler in the nation?

for starters, Wade, Roy and Zach were NEVER the potential franchise pick that Oden is. Hell, when Brandon was a senior in high school, he tried to come out and reality squared him in the nards.

If as a freshman he was all but guaranteed the #1 spot, you bet your sweet bippy he would've come out.

same with Wade (who wasn't exactly on peoples radar before he came out) and Zach might've been the #1 high schooler in the nation, but no one ever considered him a franchise making/changing player.

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Of course, ZBo got the hell out of there because school wasn't for him and declared after a year where he didn't even start. Oden on the other hand is a bookworm and all you hear about is is grades and his SATs and his brains.

that doesn't mean squadoosh. he might be a "book worm", but that doesn't mean he's going to stay. Again, you ask someone if they want guaranteed money NOW, or another year in college (which is another year where you run the risk of not only being injured but having your game exposed) and no one would be surprised if they took the money.

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All I'm saying is that he seems like a collegian and he may very well stay, within reason. Furthermore, Lawrence North is a school in a nice district in Indianapolis, I don't think his family is financially struggling, especially since he has a full ride.

a full ride to Ohio? gosh, how'd that happen..

I'd be willing to go on a limb and say that Noah's family was financially better off than Odens. I don't see why you're even defending the idea of him leaving early. It doesn't mean he's stupid, it doesn't mean he's not book smart or that his good grades mean nothing. He can alway go back to college, playing in the NBA won't alway be there. College will.

Samuel · 11-30-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBoFanatic

All I'm saying is that he seems like a collegian and he may very well stay

How much do you want to bet? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

$500 says Oden comes out this year.

Hell, make it $1000.

Players don't stay in school when they're a surefire #1 (and no, Noah wasn't in that category).

ZBoFanatic · 11-30-2006, 12:51 PM

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for starters, Wade, Roy and Zach were NEVER the potential franchise pick that Oden is. Hell, when Brandon was a senior in high school, he tried to come out and reality squared him in the nards.

If as a freshman he was all but guaranteed the #1 spot, you bet your sweet bippy he would've come out.

same with Wade (who wasn't exactly on peoples radar before he came out) and Zach might've been the #1 high schooler in the nation, but no one ever considered him a franchise making/changing player.

that doesn't mean squadoosh. he might be a "book worm", but that doesn't mean he's going to stay. Again, you ask someone if they want guaranteed money NOW, or another year in college (which is another year where you run the risk of not only being injured but having your game exposed) and no one would be surprised if they took the money.

a full ride to Ohio? gosh, how'd that happen..

I'd be willing to go on a limb and say that Noah's family was financially better off than Odens. I don't see why you're even defending the idea of him leaving early. It doesn't mean he's stupid, it doesn't mean he's not book smart or that his good grades mean nothing. He can alway go back to college, playing in the NBA won't alway be there. College will.

Going to college as a 35 year old and going to college as a 19 year is 2 totally different things man. Zach was projected to go #2 and opted to go to college instead, why? For the experience. It wasn't for him though so he left. Oden's projected to go #1, and he's 10x the student that Zach ever was. He's teamed up with his best friend from high school on the collegiate level. He's surrounded by 50,000 kids his own age. All I'm arguing is that he MIGHT stay not even that he will for sure, and you either have the same answer to every single one--money or poke fun at an example I give. Do you think Oden's value will be degraded from being "a franchise player" if he waits a year? Do you think that Oden values the growing up and educational experience that college offers? Do you think Martell Webster could have benefited from college as he's been quoted as someone still trying to figure himself out? If you were going to give me a percentage on what Oden's chances are for staying in college next year, what would that number be? I would say 60% unless they win a championship. More or less than 2% what do you think?

ZBoFanatic · 11-30-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

How much do you want to bet? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

$500 says Oden comes out this year.

Hell, make it $1000.

Players don't stay in school when they're a surefire #1 (and no, Noah wasn't in that category).

What about "very well may" do you guys not get? I'm not saying he will stay for sure. Please read.

ZBoFanatic · 11-30-2006, 12:54 PM

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Players don't stay in school when they're a surefire #1 (and no, Noah wasn't in that category).

Who else is in that category?

dudleysghost · 11-30-2006, 01:04 PM

Oden will come out because staying in college is an injury risk. At any moment in a basketball game or practice his career could end. If that happens before he signs his $20+mil rookie contract, then all he gets is whatever insurance he's been able to pay for himself, if any, which will be much less money. Supposedly Noah's family was already wealthy, so he could afford to stay in school. Does Oden's family allow him that luxury? I doubt it, because most don't.

Some players stay in school even though they could get drafted, but usually it's because they believe their draft stock will go up and they will get a bigger rookie contract if they develop more. It's a calculated gamble. Oden's a guaranteed #1 though, so that doens't apply. By staying in school he risks a career ending injury that leaves him not a wealthy man, and that's what will force him to declare ASAP.

**Dan** · 11-30-2006, 01:23 PM

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Going to college as a 35 year old and going to college as a 19 year is 2 totally different things man.

yeah, and being a millionaire at 18 and going to college are two different things too.

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Zach was projected to go #2 and opted to go to college instead, why? For the experience. It wasn't for him though so he left.

somehow I doubt that Zach went for the "experience". He probably thought that he wasn't going to go top 2 (nbadraft does not = where a player will go..afterall, Brandon was projected in the 2nd round before his senior season started).

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Oden's projected to go #1, and he's 10x the student that Zach ever was. He's teamed up with his best friend from high school on the collegiate level. He's surrounded by 50,000 kids his own age. All I'm arguing is that he MIGHT stay not even that he will for sure, and you either have the same answer to every single one--money or poke fun at an example I give. Do you think Oden's value will be degraded from being "a franchise player" if he waits a year?

zach went from being the "2nd pick" (your words) to dropping to the middle of the first round.

anything can happen.

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Do you think that Oden values the growing up and educational experience that college offers? Do you think Martell Webster could have benefited from college as he's been quoted as someone still trying to figure himself out?

two different scenarios. One has nothing to do with the other.

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If you were going to give me a percentage on what Oden's chances are for staying in college next year, what would that number be? I would say 60% unless they win a championship. More or less than 2% what do you think?

I say, unless he's a total idiot, 0%.

Samuel · 11-30-2006, 01:39 PM

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Who else is in that category?

Yao Ming, Shaquille O'Neal, Dwight Howard, LeBron James come to mind. These are guys that would go #1 in most drafts, not just their own year.

Samuel · 11-30-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBoFanatic

What about "very well may" do you guys not get? I'm not saying he will stay for sure. Please read.

You're making it out like his departure to the NBA is in question.

It isn't.

He could be injured the rest of the year and he'd still go #1.

ZBoFanatic · 11-30-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

You're making it out like his departure to the NBA is in question.

It isn't.

He could be injured the rest of the year and he'd still go #1.

This is EXACTLY my point. The basis of it. He will go #1 whenever he declares no matter what year. He is the school type. He has nothing to worry about. If he breaks a leg and is out for his career, that is just the worst luck in the world. But if you are the type to base your decision on the possibility of a career ending injury, then you are a sissy personality.

If he LIKES college life, and he knows what is coming to him soon enough anyway, don't you think there's a chance that he may stay a little longer than most others, especially if OSU doesn't win a championship this year? To some, not all valuables can be measured in dollars and cents. Is it fair to assume that someone with his proven cognitive ability, accounting major, and his guaranteed 9+ figure networth within 5 years of declaring for the draft, would consider staying in college a little past his first year if it was something important to him? He was national player of the year as a JUNIOR in high school, and he still took all AP classes in highschool and still declared a very tough major. He rubs off on me as someone who prides himself in being an A+ person, not just a basketball player, that just may value his college experience more than you guys understand.

ZBoFanatic · 11-30-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Samuel

You're making it out like his departure to the NBA is in question.

It isn't.

He could be injured the rest of the year and he'd still go #1.

This is EXACTLY my point. The basis of it. He will go #1 whenever he declares no matter what year. He is the school type. He has nothing to worry about. If he breaks a leg and is out for his career, that is just the worst luck in the world. But if you are the type to base your decision on the possibility of a career ending injury, then you are a sissy personality.

If he LIKES college life, and he knows what is coming to him soon enough anyway, don't you think there's a chance that he may stay a little longer than most others, especially if OSU doesn't win a championship this year? To some, not all valuables can be measured in dollars and cents. Is it fair to assume that someone with his proven cognitive ability, accounting major, and his guaranteed 9+ figure networth within 5 years of declaring for the draft, would consider staying in college a little past his first year if it was something important to him? He was national player of the year as a JUNIOR in high school, and he still took all AP classes in highschool and still declared a very tough major. He rubs off on me as someone who prides himself in being an A+ person, not just a basketball player, that just may value his college experience more than you guys understand.

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