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06-02-2003, 11:46 PM
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No I still fail to see your logic. You don't give up a draft pick for nothing. Even if Tim Thomas is a bad contract, Damons contract is horrible. You have to eat the last years of a real bad contract. I do not see how you see Damon is a scorer, he shoots a bad percentage. Contract or not, Tim Thomas is a superior player to Ruben Patterson. As it is with this suppossed deal, Milwaukee gives up 2 superior players for 2 lesser players, and then on top of it they are supposed to give up draft pick? This is far fetched enough, but to think that Milwaukee will just bend over and take it up the rear is living in fantasy land. They would need that draft pick to try and build their team, they would be in real dire straights already.
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06-03-2003, 12:20 AM
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Care to explain Clippers trading McDeyess on draft day for Rodney Rogers? Or Detroit trading Bonzi on draft day for virtually nothing? Wierder things have happened buddy, just look at the GM of the Bucks, what was he thinkin when he traded a young Ray Allen for GP?
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06-03-2003, 12:23 AM
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Milwaukee wouldn't have much use for patterson. They're prefectly fine at the SF/ SG position with Toni Kukoc, Michael Redd, and Desmond Mason. They don't need anymore guards, small forwards.
What the bucks lack is a good C or PF. If the Bucks were gonna trade away they're two most valuable commodities... they're gonna want something back that they need.... most likely Rasheed Wallace or Dale Davis.
But that probably won't happen.
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06-03-2003, 12:32 AM
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Pipe dreams are fun
If there's a chance that the Blazers can swing a Damon and Patterson for GP and Thomas you do that in a second. Trying to get them to throw in a pick is crazy talk. You're already getting something for nothing, there's no need to quibble.
I say that if we can do that deal we just stick with who we'd have at that point and see how it works. I'd go with a lineup of c- Sheed pf- Zach sf- Thomas sg- Bonzi pg- GP. Round out the rotation with Davis, Anderson and McInnis. Call me crazy but that team looks like a contender.
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06-03-2003, 01:06 AM
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Re: Pipe dreams are fun
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Originally posted by ebott!
If there's a chance that the Blazers can swing a Damon and Patterson for GP and Thomas you do that in a second. Trying to get them to throw in a pick is crazy talk. You're already getting something for nothing, there's no need to quibble.
I say that if we can do that deal we just stick with who we'd have at that point and see how it works. I'd go with a lineup of c- Sheed pf- Zach sf- Thomas sg- Bonzi pg- GP. Round out the rotation with Davis, Anderson and McInnis. Call me crazy but that team looks like a contender.
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Sheed at center is eeehh, Sheed is a very good defender but this limits his game and he isn't exactly the strongest at rebounding. Again this seems like too much talent on our roster, its a problem. If DA doesnt start then you must trade him for less talent plus a pick maybe. Theres only 1 ball to go around for all these guys and this isn't a way to build a team. Like Damon said on the Best Damn Sports Show, you gotta have players that dont expect to shoot that much or complain about it. You need somebody like a Voshon Lenard as a backup at SG or a Bruce Bowen at SF. You need some ordinary players at a couple positions to even things out. A Ruben Patterson would be better in our starting lineup than Tim Thomas, because Ruben gets his points of put backs and doesnt need the ball to be effective. Only thing Tim Thomas can do is expect the ball for a jump shot. This isn't going to work and I hope our GM understands this.
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06-03-2003, 01:29 AM
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Pipe dreams are still fun
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Sheed at center is eeehh, Sheed is a very good defender but this limits his game and he isn't exactly the strongest at rebounding.
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I'm gonna have to disagree. Some of the Blazers best runs have come with Sheed at the 5 and Zach at the 4. Defensively it's good because it keeps Sheed near the basket, where he's most needed on that end of the floor. What do you mean when you say it limits his game? He could still roam free on the offensive end with Zach as the main post guy. So I don't see where the limiting comes into play.
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Again this seems like too much talent on our roster, its a problem.
If DA doesnt start then you must trade him for less talent plus a pick maybe.
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Not if it's a short rotation. The way I figure it, if our starters play about 35 minutes and McInnis only plays 13 backing up Gary that gives DA and Dale about 30 apiece. If you really wanna go nuts maybe DA would be ok at the point in limited minutes and he'd have all the PT he wanted.
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Only thing Tim Thomas can do is expect the ball for a jump shot. This isn't going to work and I hope our GM understands this.
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Once again you have confounded me. How is Tim Thomas hanging out on the perimeter trying to get open for a jump shot a bad thing? That's what he does best. That's why they call him a jump shooter. He's also got pretty good handles, so if said jump shot is not as open as previously thought he can take the ball and do something with it.
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06-03-2003, 01:46 AM
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If u ask me, Id much rather have a Voshon Lenard shooting the rock before Tim Thomas. Tim doesn't play hard and he plays out of character. Similar to Larry Hughes, has a lot of talent just hasn't figured how to utilize it. Where does Ruben go if we get Tim Thomas? Q Woods? Derek Anderson would not be down for being a backup nor should he. Maybe Im over exaggerating this issue with Tim Thomas, I havent seen him enough but I have seen him and from what I remember I didn't like.
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06-03-2003, 10:40 AM
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Tim Thomas is truly a stud. He would be a nice fit with the Blazers. GP would be great too. I'm all for it.......if we're going to trade Rasheed........I would hope we get both GP and Tim Thomas. That is about as good as it gets on the offers I've seen.
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06-03-2003, 12:19 PM
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how about rasheed and woods for GP, tim thomas and the #8?
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06-03-2003, 12:29 PM
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Ummm...no.
Sheed yes. Woods no. He has far too much upside at this point to want to throw him in as trade bait.
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06-03-2003, 12:51 PM
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rumor has it that PORTLAND is looking at the GM of the BUCKS to be the GM of PORTLAND..so if he did this trade and then moved over here..that would be funny....
I would trade DAMON for some beach front land in AZ...he needs
to be moved...he wore out his welcome in PORTLAND...BUT he did play well ( i thought) in the play-offs
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06-03-2003, 01:50 PM
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I still think that Damon is currently the best point guard we have on the team. Certainly it's a need to address but I wouldn't make a trade that involves him until we have someone better, the exception being a trade where he's part of a packaged trade that we really want to see happen.
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