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**ABM** · 06-02-2003, 04:12 PM

Jeff Robertson sent me a little more insight on the situation...

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GP is causing some trouble meaning that he wants to come to Portland and the Blazers are interested, but more importantly is that the Bucks would be interested in trading him to the T-Wolves for Brandon's soon to expire contract which is bad for the blazers in a rival and in trying to get KG or Payton as a free agent is most likely to go to LAL for the mid-level. This raises the bar for the Blazers to make an offer to the Bucks to not only grab GP but also keep him away from those two teams. Plus he's putting pressure on Portland to move Damon as well since him and Damon are pretty close.

Me......

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OK, I just read on one of the boards that GP will probably boil it down between PDX and the Lakers - BUT, that he'll be seeking a 2-year, $20mil deal. Is THAT part of the "trouble" which you speak of?

Jeff.........

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Gary is one of those players to whom it is not about the ring, it's much more about the green. There is no chance the Lakers can give him anything more than $4.5 million. They have nothing to trade to Milwaukee. They made that bed last year in choosing to keep Horry etc...

Portland to give him that money needs to sign and trade something to Milwaukee and the Bucks want Davis or Wallace, but might settle for Damon if the Blazers took Thomas. I think you'll see Gary at around $8 million per year and you could potentially throw out a Damon/Patterson for Gary/Thomas
type of deal.

**Dan** · 06-02-2003, 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by ABM!
Jeff Robertson sent me a little more insight on the situation...

thats reason alone to trade for Payton.

Damon needs a new start..he needs to break away from Portlands odd hold on him.

Terrible · 06-02-2003, 04:16 PM

Maybe GP can figure out some team that will take Damon that everyone else has missed! For what we'd have to take to get GP from the Bucks I say pass and do it in a hurry. GP must still think he's 24 years old.

Ed O · 06-02-2003, 06:33 PM

Well, as with most Jeff Robertson-speculated trades, Portland makes out extremely well in a Damon + stuff for GP + Thomas.

Thomas has a big contract. Thomas has some attitude issues. But Thomas is good, and he'd be better than anyone we'd be sending to the Bucks as filler in that scenario.

Getting Payton, too? That'd be excellent.

Ed O.

Sambonius · 06-02-2003, 06:38 PM

Ed. O u have the Bob Whitsitt way of putting a team together, Tim Thomas is just more cluttering of our players. Where is Qyntel supposed to get his minutes? Bonzi? DA? If we do get Thomas then I think Bonzi should go and DA should start and then have Thomas start I guess. I really dont think Thomas is any good.

Sambonius · 06-02-2003, 06:39 PM

If we can give them Bonzi and Damon for GP, Thomas, Ervin Johnson and there 8th pick Id be happy, I like to get there 8th pick and take Barbosa to backup GP. They can keep Ervin Johnson if necessary but Id like to get there 8th pick back to take Barbosa.

O2K · 06-02-2003, 08:00 PM

what if we get thomas then try to bait thomas out for a center, maybe add anderson to the mix for a center

Samuel · 06-02-2003, 08:07 PM

remember, with the acquisition of thomas comes less time for Q's development (assuming he plays at the 3).

Ed O · 06-02-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sambonius!
Ed. O u have the Bob Whitsitt way of putting a team together, Tim Thomas is just more cluttering of our players. Where is Qyntel supposed to get his minutes? Bonzi? DA? If we do get Thomas then I think Bonzi should go and DA should start and then have Thomas start I guess. I really dont think Thomas is any good.

I'd like to think that I think more closely to Bob Whitsitt than someone who doesn't think Tim Thomas is any good.

Don't you think Bonzi should go irrespective of whether a 3 is acquired or not?

If Thomas came to Portland, he'd start at the 3 with Bonzi at the 2. Woods would have to earn minutes the same way that Bonzi and ZR did in their second years.

Ed O.

Sambonius · 06-02-2003, 08:44 PM

Where would DA go? And what about Ruben? Off the subject of how u think Ruben has character falls but he works harder than anyone, his heart is with playing with the Blazers. It's too much offense if u ask me with Bonzi and Tim in the same lineup. We have the problem of too many people askin for the ball, I believe our #1 option should prolly be Zach Randolph as of right now, assuming Sheed goes and even if he doesnt he doesnt want the ball. Bonzi should be traded for PG and if Bonzi stays at starts at SG then I dont think Tim Thomas would compliment this team. DA then must also get traded because he wont like this. I really dislike Tim for OUR team, he isnt bad but he just wouldn't fit this team. Id play Ruben P in front of Thomas. By the way I liked a lot of Bob's ways but it was apparent he put too much talent together on this team.

hasoos · 06-02-2003, 10:34 PM

I would be all over that, I like Tim Thomas, I think that since George Karl became coach in Milwaukee, that he just doesn't get along with him is all. If Portland obtained a good PG, they would be a much better team. Payton fits that mold, if even for a few years. Sometimes you have to take players for the few years you can have them, as long as it opens a window. As for who would play where, sometimes a coach just has to sit some players on the bench and accept the fact. Last but not least, Qyntel would be the 2nd string SF. That would give him some PT, much better then last year, and who knows, if he developes well, maybe he starts one day. If you look at Tim Thomas numbers you will note several things:

1) He shoots a good percentage both inside and outside the arc.
2) He is 6'10", which is good height for a SF.
3) He has never averaged over 30 minutes a game for his career. This means 10 plus minutes open up for Qyntel per game.
4) Tim Thomas came out of college as a freshman. So although he has been in the league 7 years, he is still young.
5) Tim Thomas has killed Portland over the years, maybe it is something about playing in the Rose Garden...

I give thumbs up to any trade that would bring GP and TT to Portland, especially if it includes Damon.

Sambonius · 06-02-2003, 10:46 PM

How bout Damon and Bonzi for GP, Timmy, and the 8th pick? With that eight pick we can take Barbosa to sit and learn from GP. If we do that Sheed deal bringin us either Bosh or Mello, whichever Id be happy then our lineup for the future would look like.

PG- Barbosa
SG- Q Woods
SF- Mello or Bosh
PF- Randolph
C- Kendrick Perkins? Lang? Pavel?

We need to get a core group of young players and stick them together and let them grow together, look at Sac, they havent traded many peices they have kept most of the same together. We need to get our players now so they can grow together. GP is nice for now but he wouldn't be an answer come 2 or 3 years down the line.

Sambonius · 06-02-2003, 10:48 PM

Okay so maybe that deal wasn't completely fair, Damon, Bonzi, and who? Ruben Patterson would fit a need I think, we can add Ruben plus our 2nd rounder for GP, TT, and 8th pick. Sounds good. Obviously we would have to fit these players together so it works salary wise, can anyone do the math? Say GP resigns for 9 or 10 or however much fits wut we are givin back.

hasoos · 06-02-2003, 10:51 PM

Why would Milwaukee throw in the 8? I fail to see your logic.

Sambonius · 06-02-2003, 10:56 PM

Well Tim Thomas is a real crappy contract but at the same time is Damon's but his is for a much shorter time and he improved his value in the off season. Ruben is a tenacious defender as a backup or even starter at SF. Tim Thomas is a real bad contract and that runs for a while so it may be worth it to them to get rid of that, in return they get Bonzi who can dominate the east and can become a all star, Damon serves as scorer and his contract ends in 2 seasons. GP is old and most Bucks fan want him out, TT is a crappy contract, and 8 really wouldn't help the Bucks right away anyways.

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