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Yega1979 · 02-06-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fork

Zach Randolph, Bonzi Wells, Rasheed Wallace, Jermaine O'Neal (though our impatience cost US that development)

The only notable 'potential' player who DIDN'T work out was Qyntel Woods (and arguably Miles)

What's your point?

Zach played very well for us off the bench right away, and dominated summer league his rookie year. Bonzi and Rasheed also played well for us right away.

Jermaine O'Neal is one of the few cases I can think of that looked like a bust, a lost cause, like he just didn't have "it", that finally turned it around and became a good player.

**craigehlo** · 02-06-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fork

The only notable 'potential' player who DIDN'T work out was Qyntel Woods (and arguably Miles)

Huh? We've had a TON of washouts that were touted with the potential:

Derek Anderson, Kelvin Cato, Antonio Daniels, Rick Brunson, Erick Barkley, Alvin Williams, Gary Trent, Stacey Augmon, Kemp (he's in the best shape of his career!)

ehizzy3 · 02-07-2007, 12:11 AM

bassy didnt turn out

ptownblazer1 · 02-07-2007, 12:13 AM

LET US ALL REMEMBER...is he not just coming back from an ankle injury?? I think so...Is he not just 21 years old????? I THINK SO! Lay off the kid...please tell me what you how many things you take back at the age of 22?!?! He will look at that play down the road and think of another thing to do other than miss a lay up, i will tell you that much.
Calm down, it's just a game. And we have a few more to get frustrated...now let's all calm down and make sure we don't have a civil war amongst us fans of a young and DEVELOPING TEAM!

GO BLAZERS!

Freshtown · 02-07-2007, 12:56 AM

Hey.

Guess what? He's 22 years old. 3-some odd years out of HIGH SCHOOL.

22. Are you seriously trying to say that he's hit his cap? Has he not shown limitless potential given playing time this year?

Do you not understand that he just came back from a month-long injury a few days ago and hasn't even played 2 full games yet?

Just goes to show what I said about Portland's fickle fans is true. One minute he's great, the next minute he's garbage. For some reason I don't know, some people on this board judge a player by how good their last game was. And that's sad.

ryanjend22 · 02-07-2007, 12:58 AM

oh jesus, dont blame those losses on coaching.

its player inexperience. did tonite not exemplify this? simple failure to finish on the players parts.

i still really enjoyed the game. great move by outlaw, and a damn shame he didn't finish. i've never really had much confidence in his decision making.

c_note · 02-07-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SodaPopinski

Just a complete lack of confidence in every facet. Look at all the great dunkers. They all go up with confidence and know what they're going to do with the ball before they leave their feet. Travis, on the other hand, has the ability on the last play of regulation to just pack it with nobody even guarding him. Instead, he goes up and then tries some nancy-boy finger roll crap at the last second.

Send the guy down to the D-League. I wouldn't be upset if they guy never saw the floor again in a Blazer uniform. Absolutely zero redeeming qualities as a player. Might be the dumbest player in the league in terms of basketball IQ.

Another blown game that we should have won. If you count all the eastern conference teams we've lost to at home that we should have beaten, I count at least 8 games that we should have won this year that we gave away. We'd be above .500 if we win those games. Wasn't Nate McMillan supposed to be a coach who would get us wins where we should have had losses, and not the other way around? Outlaw blew it in regulation today, but McMillan was completely outcoached in the OT.

-One pissed-off Pop

make a counterargument or ignore the post - telling posters to shut up doesn't advance the discussion

hasoos · 02-07-2007, 07:37 AM

Defensivly I think Travis has improved. Offensively I think he stinks and has not improved for the last couple of years.

**craigehlo** · 02-07-2007, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Freshtown

Hey.

Guess what? He's 22 years old. 3-some odd years out of HIGH SCHOOL.

22. Are you seriously trying to say that he's hit his cap? Has he not shown limitless potential given playing time this year?

Ah the old high school argument.

Potential goes both ways. After having professional NBA coaching for 3 years and spending countless hours in the gym, you need to have a consistent jumpshot. I'm not talking about decision making or basketball smarts either. He simply can't put the ball in the hoop after 3 years of coaching, summer leagues and NBA playing time.

mook · 02-07-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hasoos

Defensivly I think Travis has improved. Offensively I think he stinks and has not improved for the last couple of years.

very true. I think he definitely has the opportunity to eventually become a longer, slower, higher jumping Ruben Patterson with a jump shot. when he's hustling for loose balls and playing good man defense, he doesn't have time to let his biggest liability (his brain) get in the way.

unlike Patterson, though, I can't think of a small forward in the league who is more likely to screw up a fast break. he is astoundingly bad at doing anything that requires him to dribble more than once.

yes, you can say he's still incredibly young. but he's now in his 4th year of playing professional basketball. it's his only job--his soul focus in life. he's got a highly paid coaching staff who've devoted a lot of time to teaching him.

that he's got so many physical tools and so much support, and has developed so little mental ability or coordination in that span, doesn't speak well for him ever being an NBA starter on a good team.

TLo · 02-07-2007, 09:44 AM

I'm not terribly disappointed that Outlaw missed the layup. It can only help our draft position. We aren't going to be in the playoffs so the key is to secure as many ping pong balls as possible while still developing the team. The season is pretty much going according to form for me. It's been fun.

SodaPopinski · 02-07-2007, 10:04 AM

Here's my reasoning behind thinking Outlaw is a lost cause.

Kid is dumber than a box of hammers. He's had four years to develop in the league. To gain some confidence. And he still plays like a deer in headlights most of the time.

He has all the physical tools in the world to excel at this level. Mentally, however, it's just not there for him.

I know you all feel bad for the guy, because he's the nicest dude in the world. Very humble. Has that down-home feeling about him. But at the end of the day, it's about winning basketball games. And I'm just about worn out of wasting a roster spot and a few mil on a guy who needs an instruction manual to tie his shoes, let alone know what to do with a basketball in a crucial situation.

Sure, the start of my argument festered from a missed shot, but it goes deeper than that. Just not a guy who has the mental tools to excel here.

-Pop

Fork · 02-07-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by craigehlo

Huh? We've had a TON of washouts that were touted with the potential:

Derek Anderson, Kelvin Cato, Antonio Daniels, Rick Brunson, Erick Barkley, Alvin Williams, Gary Trent, Stacey Augmon, Kemp (he's in the best shape of his career!)

Rick Brunson? Bwahahahahahahaha!

I seriously spit coffee on my computer screen.

Half the guys you mention, we got when they were 25+ years old.

36 year old, 315 lb Shawn Kemp? Did you type that with a straight face? Erick Barkley was NEVER considered a guy with potential. Antonio Daniels was 27 years old. Anderson was about the same. We got Augmon when he was 28 years old. How on Earth could these people have been considered 'potential' guys?

Foulzilla · 02-07-2007, 10:25 AM

Is it really necessary to overreact so much to one play? Everyone screws up once in a while, that doesn't mean they deserve to be sent to the NBDL (even if it were possible). Hopefully he learns from this and this won't happen again when wins really do matter.

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