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darkhelmit54 · 03-31-2007, 11:30 PM

So it has a couple big If's (as my posts normally do) and it involves Andre Iguodala (as my posts normally do) lol. But anyways this is my fantasy for the offseason:

We get the # 1 or # 2 pick in the draft, and...we don't keep it. I know we'd get killed by the media, and this post probably will too but hear me out, I really like this idea. Instead of picking Durant we go competetive now, open things up for the future, and get a more clear direction, while staying young!

Who knows if Philly would do this but I've put this one together assuming they get the #5 pick and are desperate to get ahold of Durant, and think Miller is just playing for a contract now but won't continue with the good attitude (as the past has indicated).

Portland trades
Durant (#1 or #2 pick)

Zach Randolph
Jarret Jack
re-signed Ime Udoka

Philly Trades
Andre Miller (re-signed 3 years, 30 million)
Andre Iguodala
Al Horford (#5 pick)

is this semi-reasonable from their end?

From our perspective we get really competitive right away with a very good backcourt, and pray that our frontcourt improves fast. This team would be very fast paced and well-rounded for sure, and I think it'd have potential to be very atheltic and have awesome interior defense. I really think it'd be full of Nate type players. This would be an incredibly fun team to watch and grow, and I really don't think we sacrifice our future. Miller helps us a lot now as the 2nd best fast break PG in the NBA (Nash) who can play great defense, Iguodala provides lots of athleticism, offesnive scoring, incredible ability to create steals, block shots, and run the break, and Horford is a great young replacement for Zach. Horford could hopefully contribute right from the start with his ability to jplay defense, make outlet passes, be a solid rebounder, while handling the ball well in the open court. Plus this trade clears the way for Sergio to improve and play more as Miller ages, Roy to be the man on offense, and Lamarcus to be "the man" in the post. And the whole team would be very well suited to run. I just feel like it gives the team direction, and ability to comete in the playoffs right now.

Miller/Sergio/Jones
Roy/Webster
Iguodala/Outlaw/Webster.......Miles
Aldridge/Horford/Outlaw
Pryzbilla/Aldridge/LaFrentz

I just like the looks of that team and it's future more than:
Jack/Rodriguez/Jones
Roy/Webster/Jones
Durant/Udoka
Randolph/Outlaw
Aldridge/Pryzbilla

I think it's just the former would be more focused, on the same page (fast-paced), and compliments each other better through playing style than the latter team.

This team's ability to compete would hinge a lot on Roy's ability to improve his outside shooting as neither Miller or Iggy are great shooters, Outlaw's ability to get more physical and consistent, Martell's ability to hit outside with regularity, and Horford's ability to contribute defensively and improve offensively. That team would pass awesome and to some extent we know what we're gonna get with Miller, Iguoudala, Roy, and Aldridge.

long-term
Sergio/Roy
Roy/Webster
Iguodala/Webster
Horford/Outlaw
Aldridge/Pryz

And I think the Sixers could be a pretty killer half-court team after their guys improve and grow together a little more, check out their lineup:

Jack
Korver
Durant
Randolph
Dalembert

with key bench guys of Carney, Udoka Hunter, and Green.

I think Zach would benefit a lot from a legit 3 point shooter in Korver, Dalembert's physical D would help, and Durant would be given pretty much free reign while keeping defenses honest with a guy who can shoot great in Korver, and a post threat in Randolph, plus Durant would be "the man" from the start.

What's your fantasy? What do you think of mine?

LameR · 03-31-2007, 11:34 PM

You're one of the few people who's fantasy is to get the number 1 or 2 pick and trade it. I'm not really sure what I want at this point. I was a bit excited to hear during the game that Pritchard "has something planned" for this year's draft.

dudleysghost · 03-31-2007, 11:57 PM

I think Philly would be very reluctant to give up Iggy and Miller and the #5, even for Durant. Also, Miller already has a contract extension, IIRC, even though hoopshype doesn't show it, but the salary still works I believe.

As for my dream, I have no idea. Last year I had all sorts of trade ideas, but right now I'm actually fairly content with the team. I want it to get better, but I think it will if the young pieces we have just hurry up and get older. We've got pieces that fit together well though IMO.

Of course, I want us to win the draft lotto. I'd also like Roy to develop a 3pt shot, Sergio to learn English and defense, and Joel and Raef to get healthy. WE should re-sign IMe for sure. I'd like Miles to either get healthier and get traded for a decent veteran role player, even if that player has a bad contract, or for Miles to just stay injured and retire, freeing up a roster spot and salary for Pritchard to work with. If we get a C in the draft, like Oden or Hibbert, I'd like to see us get a dynamic veteran wing with the MLE who can shoot, score and defend; someone like Mo Pete, Mikael Peitrus or Deshawn Stevenson. If we could somehow get Gerald Wallace, that'd be ideal.

If we get a wing in the draft, like Durant, Wright, Green, Thornton, Brewer or Young, then I'd like to see us sign a MLE big man, although for the life of me I can't find a decent one in the list of upcoming free agents on ESPN.com.

If we draft a PF, like Wright, Horford, Yi or Noah (barf), then I'd like to see us trade Zach for a good SF. Richard Jefferson, Gerald Wallace, Rashard Lewis ... all different players, but someone of that caliber hopefully.

Other than that, I'd like us to keep the team pretty much as it is, and just let it stew and marinate. I really don't think continuity would be such a bad thing for our young team as it learns and grows together. Just add a little rookie stud sauce and some veteran spice and let it simmer.

**gambitnut** · 04-01-2007, 12:13 AM

My fantasy also involves getting the top pick and trading it to Philadelphia, but only if they get the second pick and are willing to trade their other two first round picks to ensure that they get the player they want. Then I'd trade up in the first round using those two picks and our second rounders to get as high as we can. If we get Oden with our first pick, I'd re-sign Outlaw and take Splitter with that other pick and keep him overseas. If we get Durant, I'd try to trade Outlaw for a future pick or just let him go if that doesn't work, then I'd take the best true center left with our other pick. Either way, I'd re-sign Udoka as cheaply as possible and sign Grant Hill for the MLE. The last piece of my fantasy invloves Miles retiring, trading him is too much of a fantasy to hope for, and then filling our last roster spot with Ha, Nedzad, Freeland or Zendon Hamilton, or a re-signed Magloire if we want a veteran, or a player we get for Outlaw if we pick Durant.

**Schilly** · 04-01-2007, 12:28 AM

There isn't a player in the league that I hate enough to trade Kevin Durant simply for the sake of dumping said hated player.

**Minstrel** · 04-01-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gambitnut

My fantasy also involves getting the top pick and trading it to Philadelphia, but only if they get the second pick and are willing to trade their other two first round picks to ensure that they get the player they want.

This is the only trade I'd consider if Portland landed a top-two pick. If Portland has the #1 or #2 pick, short of getting unattainable players (James, Wade), I would not trade out of the top-two. Durant or Oden must become a Blazer at that point.

Now, trading down from #1 to #2 in order to pick up a couple more picks would be a nice move. Portland could then perhaps package those picks and maybe some other assets (up to and including Zach) to move up. Imagine if Portland ended up with, say, the #2 and #8 picks and landed Durant and Hibbert. That would be one of the all-time great young cores:

C: Hibbert
PF: Aldridge
SF: Durant
SG: Roy
PG: Rodriguez

Ah. Dreaming is fun.

darkhelmit54 · 04-01-2007, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schilly

There isn't a player in the league that I hate enough to trade Kevin Durant simply for the sake of dumping said hated player.

It is WAY more about 1. getting Iggy 2. getting miller 3. getting a direction that fits the whole team 4. being competetive 5. being balanced 6. helping Sergio's development 7. grabbing Horford than it is about...14. getting rid of Zach

**Dan** · 04-01-2007, 12:39 AM

you can get rid of Jack and Zach without giving up the 1st or 2nd pick. They MIGHT give up the 2nd pick (if it's to get the 1st pick) but they are not giving up the 1st pick (unless it's to get the 2nd pick).

Iguodala is good, but he's not 2nd pick good.

If thats your fantasy, thats a really really really really really raaaaaaaaaaa-heeeeeeeeeeeeee-leeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bad fantasy.

MAS RipCity · 04-01-2007, 12:40 AM

ANdre Miller..no thank you. By the time our team his our prime, he'll be like 33.

c_note · 04-01-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkhelmit54

So it has a couple big If's (as my posts normally do) and it involves Andre Iguodala (as my posts normally do) lol. But anyways this is my fantasy for the offseason:

We get the # 1 or # 2 pick in the draft, and...we don't keep it. I know we'd get crucified by the media, and this post probably will too but hear me out, I really like this idea. Instead of picking Durant we go competetive now, open things up for the future, and get a more clear direction, while staying young!

Who knows if Philly would do this but I've put this one together assuming they get the #5 pick and are desperate to get ahold of Durant, and think Miller is just playing for a contract now but won't continue with the good attitude (as the past has indicated).

Portland trades
Durant (#1 or #2 pick)

Zach Randolph
Jarret Jack
re-signed Ime Udoka

Philly Trades
Andre Miller (re-signed 3 years, 30 million)
Andre Iguodala
Al Horford (#5 pick)

is this semi-reasonable from their end?

From our perspective we get really competitive right away with a very good backcourt, and pray that our frontcourt improves fast. This team would be very fast paced and well-rounded for sure, and I think it'd have potential to be very atheltic and have awesome interior defense. I really think it'd be full of Nate type players. This would be an incredibly fun team to watch and grow, and I really don't think we sacrifice our future. Miller helps us a lot now as the 2nd best fast break PG in the NBA (Nash) who can play great defense, Iguodala provides lots of athleticism, offesnive scoring, incredible ability to create steals, block shots, and run the break, and Horford is a great young replacement for Zach. Horford could hopefully contribute right from the start with his ability to jplay defense, make outlet passes, be a solid rebounder, while handling the ball well in the open court. Plus this trade clears the way for Sergio to improve and play more as Miller ages, Roy to be the man on offense, and Lamarcus to be "the man" in the post. And the whole team would be very well suited to run. I just feel like it gives the team direction, and ability to comete in the playoffs right now.

Miller/Sergio/Jones
Roy/Webster
Iguodala/Outlaw/Webster.......Miles
Aldridge/Horford/Outlaw
Pryzbilla/Aldridge/LaFrentz

I just like the looks of that team and it's future more than:
Jack/Rodriguez/Jones
Roy/Webster/Jones
Durant/Udoka
Randolph/Outlaw
Aldridge/Pryzbilla

I think it's just the former would be more focused, on the same page (fast-paced), and compliments each other better through playing style than the latter team.

This team's ability to compete would hinge a lot on Roy's ability to improve his outside shooting as neither Miller or Iggy are great shooters, Outlaw's ability to get more physical and consistent, Martell's ability to hit outside with regularity, and Horford's ability to contribute defensively and improve offensively. That team would pass awesome and to some extent we know what we're gonna get with Miller, Iguoudala, Roy, and Aldridge.

long-term
Sergio/Roy
Roy/Webster
Iguodala/Webster
Horford/Outlaw
Aldridge/Pryz

And I think the Sixers could be a pretty killer half-court team after their guys improve and grow together a little more, check out their lineup:

Jack
Korver
Durant
Randolph
Dalembert

with key bench guys of Carney, Udoka Hunter, and Green.

I think Zach would benefit a lot from a legit 3 point shooter in Korver, Dalembert's physical D would help, and Durant would be given pretty much free reign while keeping defenses honest with a guy who can shoot great in Korver, and a post threat in Randolph, plus Durant would be "the man" from the start.

What's your fantasy? What do you think of mine?

Heh, this is ludicrous. Sorry, but I noticed you wanted to trade the #1 or #2 pick so I didn't bother reading the rest.

MAS RipCity · 04-01-2007, 12:42 AM

If we won the lotto or got #2, I'd have a grin on my face for the rest of my life...we'd be set for 15 years.

**Minstrel** · 04-01-2007, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkhelmit54

So it has a couple big If's (as my posts normally do) and it involves Andre Iguodala (as my posts normally do) lol. But anyways this is my fantasy for the offseason:

We get the # 1 or # 2 pick in the draft, and...we don't keep it. I know we'd get crucified by the media, and this post probably will too but hear me out, I really like this idea. Instead of picking Durant we go competetive now, open things up for the future, and get a more clear direction, while staying young!

Who knows if Philly would do this but I've put this one together assuming they get the #5 pick and are desperate to get ahold of Durant, and think Miller is just playing for a contract now but won't continue with the good attitude (as the past has indicated).

Portland trades
Durant (#1 or #2 pick)

Zach Randolph
Jarret Jack
re-signed Ime Udoka

Philly Trades
Andre Miller (re-signed 3 years, 30 million)
Andre Iguodala
Al Horford (#5 pick)

This would be a very bad idea, IMO. Players like Miller and Igoudala, while good in their way, are hardly that rare or hard to get. Solid non-star players are acquirable, through trade, signing and savvy non-lottery drafting.

Kevin Durant is a franchise-maker. You rarely (in franchise history) get a shot at a player of his talent in the draft and you virtually never get a chance to trade for or sign such a player. Passing on Durant would be worse than passing on Jordan (as far as decision-making at the time). Jordan was not seen as a franchise-changer back then, though he was seen as more talented than Bowie. Durant is seen as a franchise-changer, and he's in a different galaxy of talent from Horford, Miller or Igoudala. It would be an enormous mistake to parlay Durant into three good-but-not-great players. It's akin to trading a dollar bill for three dimes.

Players like Igoudala are the types of players I'd want to hear mentioned in a Zach Randolph deal, not a deal for the #1 or #2 pick.

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