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maxiep · 06-08-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

Your highly offensive Jew-bashing aside, Larry was everything BUT cheap. He stepped up every single time we needed a player. He hired the very best management. Players loved the way they were treated here.

Thanks for the Jew-bashing comment. My Jewish grandfather--who was the only member of his family not murdered in the Holocaust--I'm sure would appreciate that comment. Cheapness has nothing to do with race or religion. One day you'll learn that simple fact.

Your memory fails you on how "he stepped up". Moses Malone was traded primarily because we wouldn't pay him. Other players were let go rather than enter into bidding battles. Don't mistake a well-run office for a lavish one. We were frugal under Weinberg. It was Paul Allen who upped the perqs to attract free agents to Portland.

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Help the ailing franchise? Paul Allen could give away $1 million every day until he died and he would have more money than he does now, so I'll shed no tears for him. How about he sells HIS name to some business? "The Smith Barney Paul Allen today was present at the NBA Draft party." I like the sound of that.

Yes, Paul Allen is rich. I'm not sure he wants your tears. I'm glad you consider yourself part of Team S.P.A.M.--it's easy to ask someone else to sacrifice for you simply because they have the means.

Paul Allen is one of the best owners in professional sports. Paul Allen built the practice facility. Paul Allen bought the plane. Paul Allen built the RG, asking minimal help from the City of Portland. Paul Allen overpaid role players for years to give this City more wins than we should have had. His money fended off rebuilding for longer than it should have been.

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Portland IS special, but each time some outsider comes in looking to whore us out for a few bucks to make himself look good, we become just another piece of meat.

How is Portland special in terms of sports? I've lived in LA, DC, NYC, Chicago, London, Madrid, Stockholm and Copenhagen (among others), and I can tell you that we're just like most other places. And insofar as "whoring", I'd look no further than Beaverton where our only Fortune 500 Company is run by a local guy who goes to SE Asia to employ child labor.

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Whoever buys the rights will also lose me as a customer for life. And it will make the Blazers a little bit less special to me. I might be the only lifetime fan who takes it as a personal insult, but I doubt it.

That's your prerogative as a consumer. I applaud you for your stance. I simply disagree.

yakbladder · 06-08-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Loyalty4Life

No one in their right mind would pass up making millions of dollars after an almost disaster with a huge business. That does not make sense.

As long as it's not renamed the "Steven A. Smith" Forum, it's fine with me.

Again, a disaster of their own creation.

And I guess then I don't make sense.

Sorry, for one of the rare times I agree with Maris (not about the Jewish comment), I think it'll be both amusing and tragic in ten years when the players start selling their own names off just to make a few bucks.

"Starting at guard, 6'2" from the University of Minnesota, Dial Brands Right Guard!"

maxiep · 06-08-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by yakbladder

Again, a disaster of their own creation.

And I guess then I don't make sense.

Sorry, for one of the rare times I agree with Maris (not about the Jewish comment), I think it'll be both amusing and tragic in ten years when the players start selling their own names off just to make a few bucks.

"Starting at guard, 6'2" from the University of Minnesota, Dial Brands Right Guard!"

See, I guess I just don't get how PA's willingness to lose tens of millions of dollars on a franchise in an attempt to keep it competitive means that he's a bad guy. I think it states exactly the opposite. And if he's going to be willing to make that kind of investment into competitiveness, I don't mind him making it up on the back end by naming a building.

To those who find it so bothersome, just keep using "Rose Garden" when you refer to it. We'll all know you're talking about "Preparation H Plaza"

**Schilly** · 06-08-2007, 03:01 PM

How bout this

"Orkin Arena"
Roach free for 1 year(s) and counting

**Oldmangrouch** · 06-08-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by maxiep

So the nickname of the RG will change to "The Brass Pole"?

So, instead of LaMarcus and Oden being the twin towers, that would make them........nope, not gonna go there!

BTW, you are dead on about Weinberg. He not only dealt Moses Malone to save money, the one moment in Blazer history that trumps Bowie-over-Jordan, he sold him to Buffalo for ONE draft pick, even though Houston offered him TWO!

He also loses points in my book for the shoddy way he trated Lenny Wilkens.

maxiep · 06-08-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Schilly

How bout this

"Orkin Arena"
Roach free for 1 year and counting

"What do y'all think of The Roaches now?"

"The Roaches are gonna be rock stars!"

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182...-_KFAN_AM_1130

yakbladder · 06-08-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by maxiep

See, I guess I just don't get how PA's willingness to lose tens of millions of dollars on a franchise in an attempt to keep it competitive means that he's a bad guy. I think it states exactly the opposite. And if he's going to be willing to make that kind of investment into competitiveness, I don't mind him making it up on the back end by naming a building.

To those who find it so bothersome, just keep using "Rose Garden" when you refer to it. We'll all know you're talking about "Preparation H Plaza"

I don't believe I ever said Paul Allen was a bad guy. I said I didn't like the move. Let's not be putting words in my mouth and certainly not Preparation H.

Utherhimo · 06-09-2007, 12:28 AM

New Seasons Rose Garden!

Joes Rose Garden

Stimson Rose Garden

Qatar Air Garden

HMS Rose Garden

HBC (here before christ aka Hudson Bay Company) Garden

LA Weight Loss Arena :P

Doctor Who Arena

BI-Mart Gardens

PFizer Gardens

The PRC Garden

Monglin Grill Garden Arena!

Yega1979 · 06-09-2007, 09:36 AM

The Nike Center
Hollwood Video Arena
Starbucks Palace
Krispy Kreame Coliesum
Microsoft Manor?

**Dan** · 06-09-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

Your highly offensive Jew-bashing aside,

The fact that you associated the two things "cheap" and "jewish" says more about you, than it does about maxiep's comments.

That is almost a "out".

MARIS61 · 06-09-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hap

The fact that you associated the two things "cheap" and "jewish" says more about you, than it does about maxiep's comments.

That is almost a "out".

maxiep is the one who associated the 2 things, not I. I merely pointed out that it was neither appropriate nor accurate. The constant bashing of Weinberg as a "cheap Jew" has long been one of the less-appealing things about Blazers Fandome.

The fact that you pretend to not notice the obvious slur says more about you than it does about me.

**Dan** · 06-09-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

maxiep is the one who associated the 2 things, not I.

please, point out where maxiep pointed out anything to do with weinberg being jewish, other than just saying his name?

here is his exact quote.

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This franchise has always been in it for the money. Larry Weinberg was one of the cheapest owners in the league. We've never been anything special--that was a mirage. We always patted ourselves on the back for being such great fans, but when the losses came, the "fans" left the team. We always said we valued character, but that was a lie too. We mostly cared about winning. The place was full for the "Jail Blazers" and when the team started trading talent for character, tumbleweeds rolled through the RG.

I don't expect to have my entertainment subsidized by Paul Allen. Naming rights are a fact of life. If it lessens his losses or puts a little money in his pocket, it doesn't bother me a whit.

No where in there, (NO WHERE) did he mention anything Weinberg being jewish. He was stating that Weinberg was a cheap owner, because he was. It has nothing to do with him being Jewish. You, and YOU ALONE, made the connection. He never associated anything.

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I merely pointed out that it was neither appropriate nor accurate.

since he never made the connection between Jewish and money, I don't see how anything inappropriate was said. Plus, Weinberg was cheap, even if his last name was Johnson, Thompson, Bush, Barkley or Collins.

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The constant bashing of Weinberg as a "cheap Jew" has long been one of the less-appealing things about Blazers Fandome.

maybe among the people you knew back in the day, but I have yet to meet a Blazer fan, or talk to, who A: cared that Larry was Jewish or B: knew.

I think you're the one making the connection, not Maxiep (or us).

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The fact that you pretend to not notice the obvious slur says more about you than it does about me.

since you're the one who created the slur out of nothing, it says a lot about how you look for things to argue about.

Samuel · 06-09-2007, 11:28 AM

Wow, this thread turned out to be about something else entirely.

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