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**Oldmangrouch** · 06-09-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

Not trying to start a fight here, but I felt the remark was offensive, and also entirely false.

Money had nothing to do with why Malone was traded. It was a basketball decision and the correct one IMO.

I would challenge you to show any evidence that this was a "basketball" decision. Even at the time, team reps said it was done because Malone was overpaid for a "backup center".

As for it being the "correct" decision......I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that is sarcasm. You can argue that Walton was the better player during his 2 peak seasons - but for his career, Moses was clearly more valuable.

**BBert** · 06-09-2007, 12:33 PM

I for one couldn't care less if the Rose Garden is called the Rose Garden or the Peach Pit or the Orkin Arena. Why the heck should I care what they call it, as long as it's in good taste? I'll admit that some arena names, like some bowl game names, sound stupid. I believe there was a thread about that a while back, and I hope they consider that in choosing a sponsor. But they have every right and reason to sell the naming rights like every other franchise would do (and does). Good business practices help keep the franchise viable.

OdomLOL · 06-09-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

Your highly offensive Jew-bashing aside, Larry was everything BUT cheap. He stepped up every single time we needed a player. He hired the very best management. Players loved the way they were treated here.

Help the ailing franchise? Paul Allen could give away $1 million every day until he died and he would have more money than he does now, so I'll shed no tears for him. How about he sells HIS name to some business? "The Smith Barney Paul Allen today was present at the NBA Draft party." I like the sound of that.

Portland IS special, but each time some outsider comes in looking to whore us out for a few bucks to make himself look good, we become just another piece of meat.

Whomever buys the rights will also lose me as a customer for life. And it will make the Blazers a little bit less special to me. I might be the only lifetime fan who takes it as a personal insult, but I doubt it.

Maris you are ridiculous. Jew Bashing??? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

**crandc** · 06-09-2007, 12:53 PM

I loved the name Rose Garden. I'd hate to see GI Joe's Arena or something hideous like that. But the Cavs got to the Finals in Quicken Loans Arena for god's sake. Can't get much worse than that!

In my experience, what happens is that the arena has its "official" name but fans will still say Rose Garden, Boston Gardens, Candlestick Park, etc.

As for Maris' descent into absurdity: In Oakland, Charlie Finley was well known as a cheapskate. Is it Irish bashing to say that? Is it stereotyping to say that 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo was crooked (you know, all Italians are mafia)? OTOH, the Haas family who owned the A's after Finley were widely respected and considered generous. No one ever said "they were generous for Jews", half the damn fans didn't even know their religion. I did not find the original comment offensive although I don't know if it's true since I don't know enough about Weinberg. It's either factually true or not with no connotations. Among NBA owners, Mickey Arison is known for being tight-fisted and Mark Cuban for extravagance. Do those facts have a damn thing to do with both of them being Jewish? Stinginess has no ethnicity, nationality or religion and neither does generosity.

**Storyteller** · 06-09-2007, 01:34 PM

Oops, I posted recently that Michael Jordan was a better player than Larry Bird. I guess that makes me a racist with a vendetta against white people....funny, I never knew I was so prejudiced....

**HOWIE** · 06-09-2007, 01:56 PM

"What's in a name? That which we call the Rose Garden
By any other name would cheer any less louder?"

Samuel · 06-09-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

If he were not Jewish the idea of cheapness never would have been suggested.

What are you basing this on?

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You are right that it's a slur from the past, but I feel compelled to shoot it down each time it rears it's head again.

It hadn't reared its head until you brought it up.

blakeback · 06-09-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Portland Business Journal

Paul Swangard, managing director of the Warsaw Sports Marketing Center at the University of Oregon, suggested that Blazers owner Paul Allen's advisers could shape a deal that would give a corporation naming rights to buildings throughout the Rose Quarter.

welcome to the
DIET CHERRY COKE PARKING STRUCTURE

(link)

**HispanicCausinPanic** · 06-09-2007, 04:46 PM

Since it seems to be kind of a topic here today lets call it the..........how about The Jewish Community Center? I like it. And for your info, I'm 1/2 Mexican and was raised in Northeast P-Town, so I can make fun of minorities. What about the..........Taco Shack?

OdomLOL · 06-09-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HispanicCausinPanic

Since it seems to be kind of a topic here today lets call it the..........how about The Jewish Community Center? I like it. And for your info, I'm 1/2 Mexican and was raised in Northeast P-Town, so I can make fun of minorities. What about the..........Taco Shack?

I'm half Mexican as well but it doesn't allow me to make fun of minorities. I used to think that I could but it just doesn't work out that way.

**HispanicCausinPanic** · 06-09-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OdomLOL

I'm half Mexican as well but it doesn't allow me to make fun of minorities. I used to think that I could but it just doesn't work out that way.

You are wrong my friend. That is a green light-pass go -collect $200-get out of jail card!

**blazermaniaisback** · 06-09-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BlazerCaravan

"Welcome to the Widmer Drop Top Amber Arena where the beer is $9.00 and the games are priceless!"

How about Budweiser Beer Garden?

The Rose Garden will always be the Rose Garden to me no matter what its called. Just as Invesco Field at Mile High is Mile High Stadium.

**Dan** · 06-09-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OdomLOL

I'm half Mexican as well but it doesn't allow me to make fun of minorities. I used to think that I could but it just doesn't work out that way.

Interesting, I'm 1/4 German and 1/4 Norwegian...but the quarter German part of me invaded the quarter Norwegian part of me.

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