darkhelmit54

One bad game in which the interior was being defended by the biggest and best center in college basketball (whom we will have next year), the game before that he lifted his team perhaps more than any other player in any game of the tourney getting his team TO THE FINAL FOUR, which is more than Roy did. We can't have 5 guys who want the shot at the end of the game. With Sergio, Roy, Aldridge, and Oden we need a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective, is skilled at spacing the floor and moving without the ball (PRINCETON OFFENSE BABY), has a skilled mid-range game, and is a good passer (any time Aldridge or Oden get a good pass deep they'll flush over almost anyone), and is unselfish, not needing to be the man. This is Jeff Green, he is a Shane Battier-Brandon Roy hybrid, and stronger than either one.

darkhelmit54

1. Could you consider that possibly it was harder for Green to score considering he was the #1 option and around less talent where the defense keyed on him more while Brewer could get easy buckets all the time due to the attention the Noah and Brewer down low, and a great perimeter shooter next to him. I think Brewers buckets came much easier than Green's personally.

2. Who says Green wanted to be the #1 option, what I saw was that he was clearly the most talented option on offense and the best passer so his teammates wanted him to have the ball in his hands, and he still got them involved all the time due to his unselfishness and being a great passer. In brewer I saw a guy who got a bunch of dump off buckets as he cut to the hoop with the D preoccupied and had open mid-range shots all game.

3. Yeah Green could lock down college SG's, who are much much smaller and slower than NBA SG's and SF's. And he had two great shotblockers behind him that teams were scared to get into the paint against so he could gamble right up on them. (Yeah I know he could do that here too, but so could Green)

Boob-No-More

I don't know who was making these alleged arguments, but they were obviously very ill-informed. Other than bench press, where Gay did nine reps to Roy's six, Roy's numbers were better than Gay's. His standing vertical was an inch better, his max. vertical was the same and both his lane agility and 3/4 court sprint times were faster.

If anything, in this analogy, Roy = Brewer (smaller, faster, quicker) and Gay = Green (bigger, stronger, slower).

Yeah, there's more to basketball than raw athleticism, but when your playing against the best athletes in the world, you can never be too quick, but you can certainly be too slow.

BNM

Masbee

Gay is STILL a better prospect than Roy. It was true at draft time. And Gay may yet end up the better player for their careers.

The Blazers drafted Roy over Gay because of the head on his shoulders, not the workout numbers. Pritchard said the interview with Roy vaulted him up their board.

Boob-No-More

Pure unjustified hyperbole. By bench pressing 185 lb. eleven times, Brewer showed that he's plenty strong for an NBA SF. Yes, he is slight and could stand to put on some weight/muscle. The same was said about LaMarcus last year. We drafted him, and in spite of shoulder surgery that kept him from lifting weights for over two months, he managed to put on about 15 lbs. of muscle and by March no one was doubting his ability to play with the big boys of the NBA. Draft Brewer and start him working with Bobby Medina and I'm convinced he'll also be able to easily put on 15 lbs. of muscle without slowing him down or screwing up his shot mechanics - just like Aldridge did last year.

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Masbee

Roy is a 2, Gay is a 3. Roy is SHOULD be faster than Gay.

GOD

So although I like Green more than Brewer, I like both prospects, but I also have reservations about both. Here are some.

Position
Green may end up being more of a 4 than a 3
Brewer may end up being more of a 2 than a 3

Shooting
Green shoots all right, but the year before last, he shot only 31% from 3pt. (Last year up to 37%)
Brewer's 3pt shooting was worse last year than the year before, and worse that year then his freshman year. Not a good trend.

Defense
Green has the length to be a good defender, but his speed is not great, but it is allright, could have a hard time with faster 3's
Brewer is a rag doll. He D in college was very good, but his opponents in the NBA will be much stronger.

FT and REB
Neither are great FT shooters although they aren't bad (Green 77%, Brewer 72%) but I often look at FT ability as an indicator for shooting. Brewer gets to the line more than Green, but converts less.
Rebounding should be fine for Green at the next level, but I am not sur that Brewer will have the strength to battle.



Now here are some of the good things for both.

Defense - Both were good at the NCAA level. edge Brewer

Both are heady players who seem to understand the game well. edge Green

Both are real team players - tie

Both have played real big in big games - edge Brewer

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Boob-No-More

Sure I could consider that. With Oden and Aldridge on the inside, Brewer would basically play the same role he did on Florida. Not sure why that's a knock on Brewer. He knew his role and played it well. I'll take easy buckets any day of the week and if Brewer knows an easy bucket when he sees it and takes advantage of the opportunity, that's exactly the type of opportunistic scorer I want at the three.

Not me. What I said is he WAS the #1 option on offense for Georgetown - whether he wanted to be or not. He took 382 shots - that's 31% more shots than their second option. So, I don't think there's any argument he was their first option on offense, whether it's a role he wanted, or not, it's the role he played. I'm not sure how this strengths (or weakens) the case for Green over Brewer. They played very different roles, yet their offensive production, even after adjusted for pace, was very similar with a slight edge to Green - which I readily admit.

So, again it depends on what you value more. Green's very slightly better scoring and passing, or Brewer's better defense. Just so you don't think I'm anti-Green, I'd be happy if the Blazers got him - but, I'd be happier if they got Brewer. Green's skill set (scoring, passing) seems almost redundant to me, where Brewer brings something the team clearly lacks - perimeter defense.

BNM

Boob-No-More

Just countering the myth that Gay is a better athlete than Roy. The perception is that he is. The numbers say otherwise.

And, Gay played more minutes at the 2 for Memphis this year than the 3. I'm not sure what their long term plans are for him. Probably depends on who else they have next to him. He started at the 2 with Miller at the 3 - until Miller got hurt near the end of March. Then they moved Gay to the 3 and started Tarance Kinsey at the 2. At this point, I'd call Gay a 2/3. If Miller is healthy, look for Gay to go back to starting at the 2.

BNM

darkhelmit54

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GOD

KP his 3 home runs last year in Roy, Aldridge and Sergio (or at least 2hr's and a tripple) and everything points to a grand slam with Oden. I just think since we are doing so well putting together a team for the ages, let's try and his another home run. Green may not work out and he might be a bit more risky, but his ceiling is much higher than Brewers. IMO

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Masbee

Come on. Gay is a three.

That Miller - a three - was Memphis' best player with Gasol out causes these problems.

If you prefer, Roy is a 2/1, Gay is a 3/2.

Thus, Roy still is supposed to be faster than Gay. If they are equally quick, then Gay would be quicker - for his position.

Oldmangrouch

After reading this thread, I have come to a firm conclusion: I still think Julian Wright should be the pick!

Yes, he is the least polished of the three. I will even concede that he *might* be the most risky. OTOH, 3 years from now, he has a fair chance to clearly be the best of the three......and I am more interested in THEN, than now.

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