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Ed O · 06-12-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by zagsfan20

I love Brandon Roy, but you can't give the Huskies that much credit. He never carried them to an elite 8.

Further, didn't Green just carry the Hoyas to a Final Four?

Ed O.

zagsfan20 · 06-12-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

Further, didn't Green just carry the Hoyas to a Final Four?

Ed O.

Yeah, he did. I like Green and I've said that I like Green since Big East tournament play. Brewer is frail and isn't the kind of scorer that I would like out of the 3 spot.

**magnifier** · 06-12-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Masbee

Gay is STILL a better prospect than Roy. It was true at draft time. And Gay may yet end up the better player for their careers.

The Blazers drafted Roy over Gay because of the head on his shoulders, not the workout numbers. Pritchard said the interview with Roy vaulted him up their board.

This is my argument. I think you always want the smarter player. I think Roy will prove to have more value than Gay.

**magnifier** · 06-12-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

I don't know who was making these alleged arguments, but they were obviously very ill-informed. Other than bench press, where Gay did nine reps to Roy's six, Roy's numbers were better than Gay's. His standing vertical was an inch better, his max. vertical was the same and both his lane agility and 3/4 court sprint times were faster.

If anything, in this analogy, Roy = Brewer (smaller, faster, quicker) and Gay = Green (bigger, stronger, slower).

Yeah, there's more to basketball than raw athleticism, but when your playing against the best athletes in the world, you can never be too quick, but you can certainly be too slow.

BNM

If you review the draft reviews on those players, they all admit that Gay has more athleticism than Roy. I personally think that's over-rated, (i.e. Miles).

Boob-No-More · 06-12-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed O

Further, didn't Green just carry the Hoyas to a Final Four?

No. He had a lot of help from Hibbert, who really stepped up his play in the tournament and would have been a fellow lottery pick had he stayed in the draft. Green played well in the tournament (other than vanishing on offense against Ohio State), but the play of Hibbert was just as vital to Georgetown's tournament success.

And while Corey Brewer was Florida's leading scorer in the tournament and vital to their success, I'd never say he carried the team to the national championship. Like Green, he had significant contributions from his teammates.

By comparison, there was no one other than Brandon Roy on the Huskies 2005-2006 team that will ever sniff the end of the bench in the NBA. Without Roy that team doesn't even make the tournament, let alone advance to the sweet 16. To me, that's the definition of carrying a team.

BNM

Boob-No-More · 06-12-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zagsfan20

Brewer is frail

In what way? Injury prone? Weak? Keep in mind he bench pressed 185 lbs. eleven times (compared to Kevin Durant at 0, Julian and Brandan Wright at 2 apiece). Being thin doesn't necessarily = being frail. Weren't you saying the same thing about LaMarcus Aldridge last summer?

BNM

zagsfan20 · 06-12-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

No. He had a lot of help from Hibbert, who really stepped up his play in the tournament and would have been a fellow lottery pick had he stayed in the draft. Green played well in the tournament (other than vanishing on offense against Ohio State), but the play of Hibbert was just as vital to Georgetown's tournament success.

And while Corey Brewer was Florida's leading scorer in the tournament and vital to their success, I'd never say he carried the team to the national championship. Like Green, he had significant contributions from his teammates.

By comparison, there was no one other than Brandon Roy on the Huskies 2005-2006 team that will ever sniff the end of the bench in the NBA. Without Roy that team doesn't even make the tournament, let alone advance to the sweet 16. To me, that's the definition of carrying a team.

BNM

Bobby Jones played 44 games last year for Philadelphia and started 5 of them.

Not a knock on Brandon, I love him as a player. Just bringing up some facts.

zagsfan20 · 06-12-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

In what way? Injury prone? Weak? Keep in mind he bench pressed 185 lbs. eleven times (compared to Kevin Durant at 0, Julian and Brandan Wright at 2 apiece). Being thin doesn't necessarily = being frail. Weren't you saying the same thing about LaMarcus Aldridge last summer?

BNM

Look at the guys legs.

Boob-No-More · 06-12-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by zagsfan20

Look at the guys legs.

And??? Yes, they are skinny, but there are plenty of guys in the NBA with very thin legs. That doesn't mean they're frail. It's not like he has a history of career threatening leg injuries.

BNM

Boob-No-More · 06-12-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by zagsfan20

Bobby Jones played 44 games last year for Philadelphia and started 5 of them.

Not a knock on Brandon, I love him as a player. Just bringing up some facts.

Missed that one. It's not like he was exactly a lottery pick (2nd rounder, averaged less than 10 PPG in the tournament). I maintain Roy carried that team while Green (and Brewer and Oden, etc.) had a lot more help from future lottery picks.

BNM

zagsfan20 · 06-12-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

And??? Yes, they are skinny, but there are plenty of guys in the NBA with very thin legs. That doesn't mean they're frail. It's not like he has a history of career threatening leg injuries.

BNM

Shaun Livingston keeps on popping up in the back of my head when I look at his legs.

Ed O · 06-12-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Boob-No-More

Missed that one. It's not like he was exactly a lottery pick (2nd rounder, averaged less than 10 PPG in the tournament). I maintain Roy carried that team while Green (and Brewer and Oden, etc.) had a lot more help from future lottery picks.

Bobby Jones has been mentioned. Jamaal Williams was a senior and a real contributor. Brockman was a freshman, but a McDonald's All-American and very effective. Roy was HARDLY a one-man team.

Did he do more for the Huskies than Green did for the Hoyas? Maybe... but it's not that clear cut, and the Hoyas made it farther than UW, so it might cancel it out, anyway.

Ed O.

Boob-No-More · 06-12-2007, 10:25 PM

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Bobby Jones has been mentioned. Jamaal Williams was a senior and a real contributor. Brockman was a freshman, but a McDonald's All-American and very effective. Roy was HARDLY a one-man team.

Come on Ed, a second rounder and a bunch of guys who will never be drafted. That hardly compares to Green's Georgetown teammates.

Brockman scored a total of 12 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in the tournament. 4 PPG and 3.3 RPG from your starting 4 is your definition of very effective? Brockman was much improved this year, but as a freshman he was a total non-factor in Washington advancing to the Sweet 16. He scored a total of 1 point in their two tournament wins. I'll give you that Williams scored well in the tournament, but Roy's supporting cast was nowhere near as good as Green's. Against Illinois, the game that got them to the Sweet 16, Roy's fellow starters combined for 28 points and shot 30% from the field. Roy had 21 points on 45.5%. I mean, you can't be serious. Hibbert, thanks in a large part to his play in the tournament, would have been a top 10 pick in this year's very deep draft if he hadn't decided to go back to school. That alone makes Green's supporting cast far superior to Roy's. Don't get me wrong, Green played very well in the tournament (14.4 PPG, 8.0 RPG and 2.2 APG), but Hibbert was just as good, if not better (14.2 PPG, 10.4 RPG. 2.0 APG and 2.4 BPG). Would Georgetown have made the Final Four without Green? No way, but he hardly "carried" the team. Hibbert was just as important.

BNM

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