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06-23-2007, 08:07 AM
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Durant will win games but will not win championships on his own. He reminds me of a young Glen Rice.
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I want to go on record as saying this is potentially...no this just is the worst comparison ever. I don't even want Durant, but he is 100 times the basketball player that Glen Rice was.
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06-23-2007, 08:12 AM
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I want Oden more than anything, but Durant isn't a downgrade when you think about it. The guy put up 26/11 and absolutely dominated College basketball at the age of a HS senior.
At 6'10" 215 lbs. he's not even close to filling out. I think he can get up to 235+ w/o losing any athletic ability. He's only 18, he could easily grow an inch or more. He's an intriguing prospect to say the least.
Having said all of that, Oden is still my clear-cut choice at #1.
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I agree with most of your point but 26/11 was in college against 6'4" not great completion. He will play against 6'9+ SF in the league. His #'s will drop significantly. If you look it Texas last year they were young and lost most of out of conference games.
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06-23-2007, 08:21 AM
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I want to go on record as saying this is potentially...no this just is the worst comparison ever. I don't even want Durant, but he is 100 times the basketball player that Glen Rice was.
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How so??
Glen Rice averaged 27 points in the NBA and won NCAA championships. Durant has a long way to match Rice's accomplishments. Change Rice to Durant and you have KD's NBA career.
http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php/Glen_Rice
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/glen_r...yer_files.html
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06-23-2007, 08:38 AM
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My guess is, (and all of us are just guessing) is that if they do not pick Oden it is because they believe that he may not reach the lofty ceiling that most are expecting him to reach and that they believe Durant is going to reach his ceiling. We can all give many examples on both sides of the question as to players that represent the argument that we favior. I could for example use Rick Barry as anexample to support Durant and could use Bob Lanier as an example of a center that was very good player and did not lead his team to a championship. NO ONE PLAYER CAN WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! IT TAKES A GREAT TEAM AROUND HIM. Tim Duncan cannot do it without the excelent players around him that compliment him.
I am becoming more and more excited that I may get to watch and root for a very exciting team with a very exciting player of the Clyde Drexler flairor get to watch one of the Tim Duncan flair.
the way Drexler did not win a championship until he too, got excellent players around him. Neither did Olajuan (sp). I guess that what I am saying in this ramble is that you just have to build around the best players you can assemble. Sometimes it comes down to who would you pick to build around, Majic or Bird??????
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06-23-2007, 08:41 AM
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Glen Rice was a great shooter, but he had nowhere near the skills with the ball or the athleticism that Durant has. Durant is the complete package for his position. The fact that there's a great center available who should probably be the number one because his attributes are so rare shouldn't make us underestimate just how special a player we'd be passing on in Durant.
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06-23-2007, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by gatorpops
My guess is, (and all of us are just guessing) is that if they do not pick Oden it is because they believe that he may not reach the lofty ceiling that most are expecting him to reach and that they believe Durant is going to reach his ceiling. We can all give many examples on both sides of the question as to players that represent the argument that we favior. I could for example use Rick Barry as anexample to support Durant and could use Bob Lanier as an example of a center that was very good player and did not lead his team to a championship. NO ONE PLAYER CAN WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! IT TAKES A GREAT TEAM AROUND HIM. Tim Duncan cannot do it without the excelent players around him that compliment him.
I am becoming more and more excited that I may get to watch and root for a very exciting team with a very exciting player of the Clyde Drexler flairor get to watch one of the Tim Duncan flair.
the way Drexler did not win a championship until he too, got excellent players around him. Neither did Olajuan (sp). I guess that what I am saying in this ramble is that you just have to build around the best players you can assemble. Sometimes it comes down to who would you pick to build around, Majic or Bird??????
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The problem I would really have taking Durant over Oden is good big men(centers) don't come around very often. Maybe once every 5-10 years if that. I like Durant and we then need to build around him but we won't be able to get a high enough pick to get that really good big man. That's if another one comes around in the next 5-10 years. It is a lot easier to get a good SF in trade or getting lucky with a mid first round pick. You won't get a good big man unless you have the top pick and be lucky enough that it comes in a darft with another Oden, Shaq etc. I know people are talking about moving LMA to the 5 but really he is a 4 and would be great to have Oden and LMA together. I know it always sounds fun to have that great player like Durant, Lebron, Tmac, Kobe etc but without a big man none of them will win a championship either. Let's just pick Oden and not worry about Durant. If he becomes another Jorden which I highly doubt so be it. We will still have done the right thing taking Oden.
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06-23-2007, 10:44 AM
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Hopefully the final call goes to KP and not Paul.
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Be careful what you ask for if you are an Oden fan. I think KP alone wants Durant. However he is looking at needs before wants and we need championships.
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06-23-2007, 11:22 AM
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Be careful what you ask for if you are an Oden fan. I think KP alone wants Durant. However he is looking at needs before wants and we need championships.
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KP is selling the media that he wants KP because he needs to from a negotiation standpoint. If he says he's picking Oden, he has no leverage.
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06-23-2007, 11:33 AM
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Well said, Tortimer. I totally agree with your analysis.
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06-23-2007, 12:07 PM
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I was merely making the joke that Allen's favorite types of players tend to be super-athletic swingmen.
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Why does everyone think that? Because he liked ONE SF named D.Miles? If I remember right, MANY of us where happy with Miles a couple of years ago. He was playing great at the time.
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06-23-2007, 12:29 PM
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I just want the best player, regardless of position. That is Durant or no I mean Oden.
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that pretty much explains it for me too.
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06-23-2007, 01:11 PM
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Why does everyone think that? Because he liked ONE SF named D.Miles?
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And, indeed, the idea that he likes Darius is based on one quote where he said something like "Wow, I can't believe we were able to get Darius Miles."
Somehow that one quote has become "Paul has a man-crush on Darius", "Miles is Paul's favorite player", "Allen forced Patternash to resign Darius", "Allen loves athletic SFs", "Allen rejected trading Miles", etc.
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06-23-2007, 01:33 PM
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I agree with most of your point but 26/11 was in college against 6'4" not great completion. He will play against 6'9+ SF in the league. His #'s will drop significantly. If you look it Texas last year they were young and lost most of out of conference games.
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His rebounding numbers will likely drop, but his scoring may in fact go up. Way up. carmelo anthony averaged 21 and 10 in college against the same 6'4" guys, he averaged 29 and 6 this year in the nba. And he's barely scratched the surface of his talent. durant will be a 30+ ppg scorer in the nba. i don't get why it's such a horrible idea to get a guy like that on our team.
I'd still prefer oden too, but if they feel durant is the guy...that's great too.
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06-23-2007, 02:01 PM
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Durant averaged like 4 times as many rebounds as Rice. Durant can post up, Rice was not a strong post up player. Durant has 3 inches on Rice. Durant has better handles then Rice. Rice had a much better team to play on in college, and Michigan had a much more established program. Rice couldn't defend anybody if he wanted to. Durant can.
Does he still sound like Glen Rice?
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