ThatBlazerGuy

I dont think Oden is going to be a 35-38mpg guy for at least his first two seasons. He will have some serious fould problems, IMO. Also, I dont think it would be a terrible idea to overall limit his minutes to 32-34mpg for most of his career. With such a great backup, we can afford to 'save' him for the big games in the playoffs.

Next year I see 28mpg for Oden and 20mpg for Joel.

mook

Shaq averaged 38 mpg his first season, despite often getting in foul trouble.
Dwight Howard averaged 33 mpg.
Amare Stoudemire averaged 32 mpg.
Tim Duncan averaged 39 mpg.
Ewing averaged 35 mpg.

I really don't see Oden getting fewer minutes than Howard or Amare, unless the knee isn't fully recovered. Maybe for a month, but not an entire season. And given that he seems to have more skills entering the league than those two, I can easily see him averaging more.

History shows that coaches have a really hard time putting a physically dominating franchise big men on the bench. They just do so much to impact the game.

Is Nate really going to sit Oden so he can watch our offense go 4 on 5 with Przybilla any more than he has to?

Dan

If Oden has foul trouble, my guess is it'll be until he gets acclimated to the game/team, and the league tells the refs to stop calling certain calls against him.


Not that the league does that sorta thing.

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Jack - One thing that has been forgotten is how much he has improved his D this year. But I do agree that he does not fit with the Blazers long term. The question is, when does he get traded. And, what are we looking to get from a trade. The problem is that the Blazers are pretty stacked, and any player that we got for Jack would also sit on the bench most likely, and might not be such a good lockerroom guy. I think the best thing to do is keep him till the summer and then look at trades.

In the summer, we will have a better Idea of what and who to target. I love Przybilla, but he may be on the trading block as well if the Blazers feel that Oden will take 35 mpg. We have three SF's and one of them may also be available. Perhaps something like Jack, Joel and Webster could get us another all star level player. I don't know. I hate the idea of trading Jack just to get rid of Miles, but that may end up the best option.

The Blazers have at least 2 more players to work into the rotation next year and likely three. Oden, Rudy and either the first rounder, Kop or Freeland. Oden still holds a spot on the roster, but we will need two more spots to open up. So the best option may be to trade several of our players for one in return. But who, what position, what type of player, I just don't know, this roster is real hard to figure out.

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alext42083

I see that as one of the bigger storylines next season.
Joel has proven he can be a really good starting center, and has even become sort of an offensive threat.
I wonder if he'll be as effective or even willing to accept that bench role, and play 15-20 mins a night behind Greg.

But that would sure as hell be some defensive tandem by the hoop with Greg and Joel at the same time. Teams won't want to come to the rim.

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2k

If Jack is the weak link then the Blazers have one very strong chain. He hit what was likely a game clinching three pointer last game. The weak link of a rotation usually plays a lot worse when they don’t like their role.

mediocre man

Joel is to Jarrett fine

Blake however is not to Oden.


Joel is playing well so far. He however is simply not as good as Oden....(is supposed to be)

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Schilly

The Jack vs Blake debate over the streak

Jack
189 minutes
31 assists
23 turnovers

Blake
228 minutes
35 assists
12 turnovers

WHen you adjust Jacks minutes based on prouduction per minute to match Blakes minutes thsi si how they fare

Jack
28.5mpg, 4.7apg, 3.5topg, ast/to 1.3

Blake
28.5mpg 4.3apg, 1.5topg ast/to 2.9

mook

yikes. Jack's assist to turnover ratio maybe be ok for a center, but a guard? ugh.

by the way, has anybody else noticed Jack tends to freeze out Rodriguez? maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it seems like Jack tries to run the offense too much with Sergio in the game, and he only passes to him when there aren't other options. I've seen Jack inbound the ball, look at Sergio, and just wave him to go play shooting guard. just watching the body language there it reminds me of two guys in the YMCA both trying to play PG.

maybe I'm just seeing things. I haven't seen anyone else comment on it.

ProZach

I've arrived at the same conclusion from what I've read - he is a leader. The things I like about him the most are his attitude and toughness. That's why he and Joel are important.

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KingSpeed

Yep. That three was huge. He also made that great pass to Webster for the dunk so he's not totally horrible on the fast break. Let's not hate on Jack.

Oldmangrouch

This thread is just odd.

I was one of the first folks to suggest that Jack was not a "true" PG, and should not be starting. Now, I seem to be one of the few who don't want to shoot him in the head and leave him to rot in a ditch!

What makes it even weirder, is that many people constantly preach patience for Webster and Outlaw - but are unwilling to give Jack even half a season to settle into his new role!

What did Jack do to turn so many fans against him??

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mediocre man

I wonder if it's Nate, and not Jack that some people are mad at.

Nate always seems to give Jack a little extra opportunity. Sergio makes a mistake and he's yanked, but Jack makes 2 mistakes and he stays with him. I'm not here to debate if that's right or not, but if Jack were treated the same way the other players were then maybe people would think of him the same way.

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